I read this article on Online Journal by Wayne Madsen "America’s ‘disappeared’: The homeless of the big cities" and I found it quite disturbing. Through the entire piece I was thinking that the street people and their dogs, have been snatched up and sent to fema camps for use in ghastly scientific experiments, conducted of course, by the military. Turns out I wasn't the only one thinking along that line.
The last paragraph, of this article, fits in with this science fiction novel that we are, not reading today, but living. The scary part is, I don't think it's far fetched at all. Then again, maybe the mother ship just came along and beamed them all up.... ~~ jg
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I've been researching use of human cells to help reanimate dead human cells, where military scientists are manufacturing soulless-killer-zombie units of troops. Plus they're working on a concoction that can be sprayed onto people that would turn them into easily controlled zombies.
ReplyDeleteI don't put anything past these cretins, you really can't get to fantastical.
M couldn't agree with you more. What we see on the surface is only the tip of the iceberg. They didn't import all those nazi scientists to the U.S. under Operation Paperclip to sit and twiddle their thumbs......
ReplyDeleteI have been homeless off and on for many years. I made/make it a point never to sleep in the same place as the nights before, for good reason.
ReplyDeleteThe privatized prison system preys on the homeless. I do not Know for certain, but I was advised by old-timers, hobos in the know, that my organs are worth money, big bucks.
This subject is emotional for me. There are many Saints in our Society, people who have helped me and define humanity by their actions. However, there are predators in our Society and the homeless are easy prey.
It is true that cities will bus the majority of their homeless population to other cities, while leaving just enough around town as a symbol to the rest of the herd to keep pulling the plow. The CORPORATION sees this as being cost effective in the management of human capital.
Years ago I was in El Salvador & Guatemala. The indigenous people were fearful of me. I wanted to know why so I set off to find out, to answer this question. As time went on, and people began to trust me, I was told about the war, God bless them! I was informed about de mano-blanco, and how people would disappear for political reasons but also young children for their organs.
I see striking similarities at present, a pattern if you will, of the para-militarization of the United States and the death squads (escuadróns de la muerte) of central America.
koalice what kind of sick world do we live in. It's a world full of vampires that prey on the down and out... anything for a $ is the mantra. Instead of having a heart and lending a helping hand, they take your heart. Bastards.
ReplyDeleteSince you know about this stuff from your experience of living on the streets, you just gave special credence to this article. Thank you for sharing with us.
Since I've lived in Hawaii for 25 years now, homeless white & black people have been routinely rounded up and supposedly "flown" back to some big city where they came from - either SF or LA. Locals are usually absorbed by their own families in some way or another, or simply end up in prison. But in either case there is also a low tolerance for flakes here. Everyone is expected to work because the cost of living is so high, so in general bums are not tolerated. But when people disappear into a black hole, who can answer for them anyway?
ReplyDeleteCinder, if everyone is expected to work there than I suppose they have enough jobs to go around for every single resident? Maybe all the unemployed looking for work should move to Hawaii.
ReplyDeleteYour implication that all homeless are "flakes" or "bums" is not true. Sure there will always be bums who just don't want to work. However, today, entire families find themselves homeless because they've lost their jobs and then their homes. Where do they go when they have no family to help and the shelters are either full or more dangerous than the streets?
To lump all the homeless together as if they are all lazy deadbeats is to admit you have no clue about what is really happening, to not only the working poor in this country, but also to the formerly comfortable middle class.
I was in San Jose, CA at the beginning of the year and the place was like a ghost town - entire blocks of homes, condos, commercial space up for sale. So, I thought to myself that these homeowners must be moving into rentals. But then, I looked again, and saw that the apartment buildings were all giving away the rentals - move in free, 1 month free, gas card with rental, you name it. Then, I asked myself if people are not going into apartments, where are they going, I was puzzled. The locals explained it as "oh, they're all Mexicans who are either going back to Mexico or moving in with relatives." Hmmm...I said to myself, not all. What about the rest?
ReplyDeleteLo and behold! Shortly after that, I caught a show on NPR being broadcasted from Sacramento where a giant tent-city for the homeless has sprung up so I said, "Ahah! That explains it!" It was an hour or so of interviews with homeless people, the organizers and volunteers who run it, etc.
But, as luck will have it, that is not the end of the story. Sometime later, I heard a politician come on the radio to discredit any reports of tent cities being formed on the outside of big cities and, according to him, 'it was just the same homeless as always who were gathered under one space by good samaritans but, of course, noooooooo! there are absolutely no new homeless there, much less families or people affected by the crisis!' Well, if memory serves me right, immediately after that, he announced that he was selling a bridge in Brooklyn at a very, very low price...
Months later, I visited New Orleans where I heard there is a huge one which includes people displaced by Katrina. I asked around and everybody looked at me like I had two heads. Nobody knows a thing about it!
Sorry, I know it doesn't include secret research with body parts and human organs or FEMA camps or cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers or alien abductions but it's all I've got to share on the subject, good, bad or indifferent.
I believe it was Sacramento or some other town in Cali where they were tearing down new construction houses because they couldn't sell them instead of selling them cheaper or letting families who had lost their homes live in them..
ReplyDeleteYea, life in Amerika sure is swell... Here are pictures of cali's tent cities
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2009/03/25/us/20090326-TENTS_9.html
Is there any city sadder than Detroit?
ReplyDeleteAs a friend reminds me, the School of the Americas ;
ReplyDelete"One SOA Panama graduate said on camera that he was taught torture techniques using homeless people rounded up on Panama's streets. He said homeless people were brought to the class as human guinea pigs to test techniques for obtaining maximum information - through electric shock and other methods - without causing death."
more at http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1141/is_n42_v32/ai_18750048/
What goes around, comes around.
Yea Curt but it comes around to hurt the innocent not those that created the monster.... how fair is THAT?
ReplyDeleteDon't know yet but I'll let you know in two weeks. New Orleans brought tears to my eyes and San Jose scared me. I'm not looking forward to that one trip though.
ReplyDeleteI didn't mean it that way, JG. I mean to say it was practiced in Panama so it's likely being practiced in DC and other places.
ReplyDeleteJersey... you ever been to Hawaii? You never experienced such things such as the influx of hippies after Jerry Garcia died, who came here to collect welfare, steal fruit off of other people's trees, hang out in droves in public places, and generally demanded that everyone took care of them. Twice I had entire ripe stalks of bananas stolen - we're talking MY survival food. That shit doesn't fly here. All the farmers keep loaded shotguns to ward off poachers. Everyone here has to work, but in general we make very little in comparison to all of you who live in the "madland." Where I live self sufficiency is the rule - everyone is on catchment, many off grid totally, and you take whatever work comes your way - even if it's one fourth of what you made elsewhere. When I lived on Maui I made a lot of money working for the wealthy because of my unique skills. Here on the Big Island I'm lucky to do back breaking grubwork clearing jungle for $20/hr. You think things are tough where you live? Come here and see what people do to survive. Many communities tucked away in the cane fields and jungles live like they're in refugee camps with no running water, electricity, or even shoes. The difference here is there is a sense of community and so slackers are not tolerated at all. I'm sticking to my guns with my comment. Talk to other Hawaii residents - they will say the same thing. Of course there's also those that came here with a ton of money, live in gated communities, and don't even begin to relate to the culture. On the whole they are despised because they've got such a shitty elitist and racist attitude towards locals.
ReplyDeleteOne more thing. In my early 20's when I was avoiding the draft for Viet Nam, I took off from my comfortable middle class lifestyle in LA and hitchhiked all over the country - every mile of coastline, the mountains, the deserts. I crossed Texas three times. I lived the life of a homeless person because I'm an experiential guy. At one point in Utah (god bless the morons) all my gear was stolen. I was threatened by gangs and picked up by vicious people. I had nothing. I slept in jails, homeless shelters, in the bushes, worked for next to nothing being a Bracero with other Mexicans picking lemons, eating beans and tortillas, and took whatever odd jobs I could to survive. I was hungry a lot. Cold and shivering at night during the winter. Look - I've been there and done that! How many of you people here have? So far I counted only one. I walk my talk. While I do have some sympathy for the homeless, there's still plenty of jobs in the fields and restaurants that are being taken up by Mexican migrants because white folks don't want to stoop to menial labor. Complaining is much easier. Sorry, I have no patience for whiners.
ReplyDeleteI have! And a lot more than that too - even if I'm a woman - but I've had another life elsewhere which parallels at time the one I've had here. Knowing what I know today, if even a chance to go back, I'd gladly do it with my eyes closed! My life in the great US of Ass hasn't been as promised and trumpeted by Radio Marti from Miami.
ReplyDeleteCinder, it's real easy when you're a young guy and have only yourself to look after. Back in the day that was called, "finding yourself." You didn't have a couple of little kids to support and look after did you? There were also a lot more jobs back then too. BIG DIFFERENCE.
ReplyDeleteAnd those jobs.. well there are very few today.. the mexicans have all the menial ones and the rest have been taken by machines.. Nothing left for the gringos. Last year hundreds lined up for one job opening at a walmart. Your info seems to be out of date. Watch this vid from March in Cali. Check out the guys in suits applying for a job to install satellite dishes !
Curt, I understood how you meant it. I was just lamenting the fact that it's the little guy who always get shafted for the crimes of the big guy. Those scales of justice rarely tip in our direction.
ReplyDeleteWith regards to Hawaii I think my experience is up to date. I moved here to get away from the rat race, the freeways, crowds, noise, and shear craziness of it all. But I had to work my way up the shit ladder the hard way and earn respect from the locals while always having endless hassles with wealthy people intent on screwing everyone, because that is their motus operandi. My point is, it's no picnic here - people in the madland always have this romantic vision of Hawaii that has very little to do with boots on the ground. And having children is a choice - and there's simply too many people in our society screwing their brains out without a clue of the consequences - babies. Even Paramahansa Yogananda said procreation was one of the lowest of creative activities. I chose not to have children because I felt the world was already overpopulated. Most folks don't even give it a second thought. Life is about choices. Look how many people overextended themselves in the last decade with the intent of making even more money. I live a minimalist lifestyle. If everyone did that, we wouldn't have half the problems we've got. Sure, there's misfortune all around us, and trust me - I've had more than my share of it. I work hard every day, whether I'm making money or not. I think the longest vacation I've ever had in my life was a one week backpacking trip in the Sierra Nevada. I know what being poor is all about.
ReplyDeleteI lived on the street and worked unloading semi's .. when there were any. But it wasn't for terribly long .. and.. I had an upper middle class home to go back to 2000 miles away ... Now, having gone home .. and gone to college I'm basically broke (although I work 60 hours a week.) But I regularly see in therapy, and perform disability evals on folks who are literally on the edge of having no recourse but a tent city.
ReplyDeleteI have a son. Only one and with my third wife. (sorry, I know nobody really wants to know that) but I have always been conscious of the issue of population growth. I was 45 when he was born. It literally changed everything. All of a sudden I wasn't the most important. The fear also was palpable... like Robert Crais says in one of his mysteries ... to paraphrase ... 'having a kid is like having a 38 pointed at your head' ... Because the underlying and pervasive fear for you child's life, welfare, leaves you vulnerable in a way being single cannot. (that is, if a person is one of those who love their children).
And the worry I see in the faces of some I see professionally is just like that. They have no control of what will happen at all to them. Just as, ultimately, in this country now, this fascist, economic debacle, most of us are very close to not having much of anything at all.
And frankly, I know quite clearly that if it were a matter of my son dying from starvation vs me robbing, stealing, whatever, I would do it. Not happily, but necessarily.
Hey JG,
ReplyDeleteDid you ever see "Extreme Measures" with Gene Hackman and Hugh Grant?
Comic leading man Hugh Grant gets serious in this drama about a physician who uncovers a truly disturbing secret. Guy Luthan (Hugh Grant), a British doctor serving a residence in a hospital in New York City, is very puzzled by a patient brought to the emergency room one night. Naked, disoriented, and bearing a hospital bracelet and a fresh surgical scar, the mystery man is suffering from a baffling variety of symptoms, and though he dies not long after he's admitted, Luthan can't get the patient out of his mind. When he asks to see the records on the patient a few days later, he's told they no longer exist, and the more he digs, the more he's convinced that someone knows something they're not telling. Against the advice of his friend Jodie Trammel (Sarah Jessica Parker), a nurse and colleague, and the instructions of his superiors, Luthan keeps digging into this and other strange cases that have come through the hospital lately. Luthan's sleuthing eventually brings him to the door of Dr. Lawrence Myrick (Gene Hackman), a well-known surgeon who is doing research in experimental surgery that could allow patients with severe spinal injuries to walk again. While Myrick's work is done with the most noble of intentions, there turns out to be a sinister undercurrent to his research techniques, which is testing on kidnapped homeless people.
Rent it.
Patrick, I've seen that movie about eight or nine years ago. It's very sobering and Gene Hackman, one of my favorite actors plays such a sinister role, one of several he's played throughout his career.
ReplyDeleteI'd much rather see him in roles such as in The Bird Cage, also a good movie.
For sometime now Hackman has been the voice of the Lowe's commericals. He's a dam good actor and has a good voice, but is he COTO?
Gotta disagree with the gross generalization, "life is about choices." It's about quite a bit more than that.
ReplyDeleteIt's one thing to be living simply for the good of your own conscience; it's quite another to be doing it for some other reason.
My experience with many of the Deadheads is that they have toilet training problems; that they want to trip and be free without having to pick up any socially-sanctioned tab. In that sense, they're poking us all in the eye. We could use the reminder that if we work for money, we work for the Man. The Man is the problem, not the solution.
I just heard that everyone in France gets the entire month of August off. Plus they get an entire month off during the year. I get two days a month that I have to store up to get a decent vacation.
I think there can be a happy medium. I don't mind pulling other people's weight if they don't mind me keeping a little something something for my own private charity -- my family.
volaar :: "I just heard that everyone in France gets the entire month of August off. Plus they get an entire month off during the year."
ReplyDeleteWhere on earth didya get that? France is less than 2 hours from where I'm sitting. If it were that way in France, I would've moved there a long time ago. Not really, but it can't be true.
Sweden is almost like that. I know they all like to take vacation in the summer, all of the vacation and all at once. Towns are emptied and shops closed as a result. As a summer tourist, you can have the place all to yourself in the summer while the locals are out camping.
Speaking of Sweden and the homeless, Discount Grocery chain LIDL has been accused of poisoning the food they've thrown out in an effort to keep the homeless away from their waste bins. Link ; http://www.yigg.de/toolbar/kaputte-welt/lidl-in-schweden-vergiftet-obdachlose . That was chlorit being sprayed on the thrown out food in a Stockholm store. The article is from Nov. 08.
What I enjoy most about COTO is the exchange of ideas, concepts, and thoughts - but in a civil manner. At heart we are all truth seekers, and that is the glue that binds us together. A great movie to watch is "Defiance" about Jews banning together in the forest of Belarussa during WWII to both survive and fight the Nazis. I see a great metaphor between the movie and ourselves. We can agree to disagree and still be a group of freethinkers bonded by a common cause - survival.
ReplyDeletePatrick, that plot line sounds very familiar but I don't remember seeing a movie like that with those actors. Which is odd because I'm a big fan of Grant and Hackman and I like Sarah Jessica as well. I may be thinking of something else. All the years of fluoride is getting to me... hellllllllp!!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I will see if I can find it and rent it. It sounds like another movie that mimics reality when all along we're to assume it's fiction. I intend to rent "Minority Report" again. I liked it the first time I saw it and those clips I posted on another thread remind me of how google mail tailors it's ads to you specifically. Of course, we all know about the retina scan .......
Munich, as far as Hackman, I don't remember him ever talking politics or campaigning for a candidate.. do you? Hard to know if he's Coto or not.
Thank you Richard. You've made my point quite eloquently with your point :) When you have children and or grandchildren, your life is devoted to them and yes, you will do anything in your power to protect and provide for them. This makes fighting for a better future all the more important. It also makes you quite sympathetic when you see other working class families struggling to just keep the roof over their heads and their children fed. When those mother and fathers end up losing their jobs and their homes, you realize how fragile we all are.
ReplyDeleteI'm sick to death of the msm blaming families for buying houses "they couldn't afford". Have these idiots seen what it costs to rent just a one bedroom apt lately? Most people that bought those homes did so because they made it easy for them to own one and figured it was better than renting because they'd build up equity. That's how it's been in America. Buy a house and sell it at a profit in a few years. It's the average person's biggest investment. They couldn't possibly know the market would crash as it has. Yea, let's blame people for wanting to buy and live in houses and distract our attention from the banksters ! That is one of my biggest issues with many americans and it's really pissed me off since this whole mess started. The old divide and conquer the people again.......
V.... was that bit about France in Sicko? I remember thinking, after leaving the theater..between their vacation time, their health care and their providing college for all, I wanted to pack up and move there!
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ReplyDeleteI can't speak for France but I can tell you that in Cuba (a third world nation), people get a whole month off for vacation during the year. They also get unlimited paid sick time (whether it's one day or one year) and your job is waiting for you when you come back. Women get a whole paid year for maternity. Yesteryear, people also used to be off 2 or 3 weeks during the holidays (those were done away with and penalized in the 70s) - the party started before Dec. 24th and didn't end till after Jan. 6th - all of it paid. Now, the drawback is that in Cuba, people work a half a day on Saturday because the workday starts at like 9 am, they break for lunch around 11 am (and go home for lunch and a siesta) and don't come back till 2 pm, then they're out the door again by 5 p.m.
Also, I worked for Novartis Pharmaceuticals (which I believe is a Swiss or Sweedish company) and they too observe the same schedule as Cuba: 1 month vacation and all the plants close before the holidays and don't reopen till after Jan. 1st - all of that is paid for. Of course, as of late, I hear that they're pulling out of the US (and have friend who've been laid off by the closing of plants and offices) and I have no doubts that it's because of the cost of doing business. They can probably do exactly the same some Switzerland or Sween at a fraction of the cost of doing business in the US.
Cinderman:
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with Volaar on this one. In no place is the mantra of "life is all about choices" less true than in the US. In this country you have control over nothing and you don't have choices. All it takes is one illness or a car accident and whatever choices you thought you have are wipped from under one with one swoop and from that point on, the rest of your life belongs to predators, bill collectors, bankruptcy courts and anybody and everybody that can get a piece of you and it seems like everybody can, indeed, get a piece of you and there ain't no choice you can make about that.
We need Popeye Doyle on the job. He'd be busy busting Corporatists and CIA drug runners and money launderers.
ReplyDeleteI doubt anyone in Hollywood isn't a player. If not the Jewish Socialist run industry would black ball them. I figure Mel Gibson felt it. I remember when Cliff Robertson was ousted for busting Hirschfield and Begelman at Columbia Pictures.
You think MSM is corrupt, try getting into the underbelly of Hollywood. George Reeves, Sal Mineo and James Dean found out the hard way. Once you get into LA Police Mafia, you will pay the piper. These were all sanctioned murders and coverups.
I have been a Maui resident for nearly 30 years now. I went homeless in the early days thanks to
ReplyDeletesome "born-agains" who kicked us out of the shack we were renting because we had a picture of Mother Mary on the wall. Made us Devil worshipers. So me and my wife and our seven kids(Iknow, I know), piled into a beat up subaru station wagon and camped around the island for a few months. We experienced compassionate behavior from locals who were mainly concerned for the kids and would give us fish and fruit. We were only hasseled by the cops. Things have certainly changed over the years. Now violent gangs rule the beaches and parks and you don't dare camp out or walk alone in many areas. The homeless, in my experience, the ones I get to see at least,
are in this condition because of the choice they made
for whatever reason, to use ice. The burglaries we get here aren't folks trying to feed their hungry
kids, its their hungry habits, their choice of lifestyle, their choice of friends. I am self-employed and always only one or two jobs away from homelessness. I face this prospect with much more dread than in the past, because I am
that much older, and because of the culture of "bad ass" attitude, fart can, titta bitch, road rage, don't you dare interfere with my right to break the law or your face. Mega bass monster trucks with massive knobbies prowl, howl and thump through the neighborhoods, the beds laden with massive angry natives, just waiting for the shit to hit the fan so they can take back their island and re-establish the macho, mesagenistic,
taboo culture of the past. Of couse I generalize.
Of course there are decent folks who get that we are all in this together. But still it doesn't look too promising for a skinny middle-aged white guy.....
after all, we represent all of the ills of the world,
having displaced and murdered vast numbers of native peoples and stolen their lands, raped their women and enslaved the survivors in eternal debt.
I could be wrong, but it appears to me that homelessness and hopelessness are closely related states. Drug use may provide a temporary mask for the pain (been there, done that), but the down side is that it makes you stupid,
and carries a karmic load which determines so much of what befalls you on a daily basis. In other words, if you are clean, clear-eyed and hopefull, you stand a better chance of being able to respond to opportunities that may arise, than if you are one of those lurky, bedragled, deranged characters that scare away the helping hand.....
I have developed a much more sympathetic view
of people who are so different from me as I get older. You can't know how they got where they are, what their pain is like, but I do realize how thin the line is which separates us. Becoming an unwilling organ donor or participating in a vacine trial is worthy of perhaps more concern than say alien abduction or chem trail poisoning. We all know the litany, by heart. Watch "What a way to go" for the full barrage of in-your-face issues. We will always live with injustice. It is part of the human condition. There will always be bullies. But no one else is responsible for your happiness. Do not be distracted by the ephemera. Seek the source of your own consciousness. Life is short.
You can't stop what is coming.
Hey sister... I've had more than my share of misfortune... friends murdered, lawsuits with wealthy people, countless injuries I had to pay out of pocket, counting up pennies to buy food - to name just a few. But we still are who we choose to be. I would never recommend the road I took in life to anyone, but it was still my choice.
ReplyDeleteI agree Puddy. At one time I was a fringe player in the Hollyweird circuit. Mel ate shit bigtime when his loose tongue got carried away, and he had to kiss some serious Jewish ass to get back in the movie game. I was in a popular band once in LA back in the 70's, and we played at lot of parties for the rich and famous. I won't name names, but at one gig we even had an armed thug whose sole purpose was to keep an eye on us. I even knew personally the alleged head of the Jewish mafia there. On a personal level I liked him, but I'd be scared to death to do business with him. Maybe someday I'll write a story... sorry for getting off topic, but we all do that on occasion.
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