Thursday, December 20, 2012

9/11 Neutron Nuclear DEW (Part 2)

{This is Part 2 to "9/11 Neutron Nuclear DEW" (2012-11-22).}


Truth is a diamond that is surely pure
Truth's an antidote, the virus curer
Truth is the lock on the door - not the keys
Truth is the confession that brings you ease
Truth is the answer to the main question
Truth is the part you forget to mention
~Franklin Ryk 1998 (@ 12 yrs)



Please forgive me for this minor detour in topic from the recent "slaughter of lambkins" and how it represents a new thesis of the Helgian Dialectic, for which there will be an antithesis and final synthesis to lead the sheep astray. We can already see them going after guns and the internet.

I feel compelled to bring up a 9/11 topic mostly just to hedge my bets in case the world really does end on 2012-12-21 as per the Mayan Calendar. I will want to be able to stand before the Supreme Architect of the Universe and say that I sought to reveal (9/11) truth right up until the end.

When, as I expect, we wake up on 2012-12-22, this article about events from 2001-09-11 won't be totally out of place in the sense: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (George Santayana). Participants of this forum already speculate about heinous misdeeds to come, some of it with nuclear aspirations.

The Belief: 9/11 was not a Nuclear Event


Ask the average yeoman in the 9/11 Truth Movement (911TM) why 9/11 was supposedly ~not~ a nuclear event, their answer will undoubtedly reference the works of former BYU professor of (nuclear) physics, Dr. Steven Jones, such as: "Hard Evidence Repudiates the Hypothesis that Mini-Nukes Were Used on the WTC Towers".



A keystone piece of "evidence" leading to Dr. Jones' "no-nukes" conclusions was that only miniscule amounts of tritium were measured. The source he sites is "Study of Traces of Tritium at the World Trade Center" by T.M. Semkow, R.S. Hafner, P.P Parekh, G.J. Wozniak, D.K. Haines, L. Husain, R.L. Rabun, P.G. Williams.
Traces of tritiated water (HTO) were detected at the World Trade Center (WTC) ground zero after the 9/11/01 terrorist attack. A water sample from the WTC sewer, collected on 9/13/01, contained 0.164±0.074 nCi/L of HTO. A split water sample, collected on 9/21/01 from the basement of WTC Building 6, contained 3.53±0.17 and 2.83±0.15 nCi/L, respectively. These results are well below the levels of concern to human exposure...

For the sake of discussion, let's accept these measurements as being truthful. Being truthful in what is revealed is different than being complete. Indeed, what astute researchers will discover is that Dr. Jones' "no-nukes" conclusions are based on incomplete data. "Garbage-in, garbage-out" goes the computer expression.

Bent Scope


This is not to say that "Study of Traces of Tritium at the World Trade Center" is garbage per se, but it can be thought of as being a wormy apple out of which Dr. Jones tries to make lemonade. The worms are visible in the study's "bent scoping" that run very much parallel with the "bent scoping" of the NIST reports on the WTC tower destructions; those NIST reports were restricted to the cause of the "initiation" of the destruction and not any analysis of the pulverization at free-fall speeds in the immediate aftermath that their "(un-)scientific method" had them pre-concluding was airplane impacts, jet fuel fires, and gravity.

The "Study of Traces of Tritium at the World Trade Center" demonstrates similar "bent scoping".
"We became interested in the subject of tritium at WTC because of the possibility that tritium RL devices could have been present and destroyed at WTC."

In fact, just a few sentences away from the passage that Dr. Jones quotes from this study's abstract (also given above) relating to measured tritium is this:
"Tritium radio luminescent (RL) devices were investigated as possible sources of the traces of tritium at ground zero. It was determined that the two Boeing 767 aircraft that hit the Twin Towers contained a combined 34 Ci of tritium at the time of impact in their emergency exit signs. There is also evidence that many weapons from law enforcement were present and destroyed at WTC. Such weaponry contains by design tritium sights."

Scientific sleight of hand. When the scope is limited to how tritium RL devices could potentially explain the 9/11 tritium measurements, the authors of the study did an admirable job. Kudos. However, because the authors weren't looking at nuclear weapons as being the destruction or tritium source, (a) they had no requirement or need to measure tritium directly at the lingering hot-spots or other critical places in a timely or more systematic fashion, and (b) nuclear weapons were beyond the scope of their explanation.

No Further Samples Needed?


Allow me to call attention in the follow passage to (a) the time delay in which some measurements were taken, (b) the limited number of samples, and (c) the assumption from those samples that no further samples were needed.
Sample 1, measuring 0.164±0.74 nCi/L, is from the WTC sewer, collected three days after the attack, and is just above the detection limit. Samples 6 and 7 of about 3 nCi/L are split samples from WTC 6, basement B5, collected 10 days after the attack. Thus, tritium was detected in these samples from ground zero, but the concentrations are very low. In fact, 3 nCi/L is about 7 times less than the EPA limit in drinking water of 20 nCi/L (17). No health implications are known or expected at such low concentrations (13). As a consequence, no additional ground-zero samples were judged to be necessary.

The testing decisions were probably valid for the bent scope of attributing the tritium to RL devices, but they cause problems when this study is re-purposed by Dr. Jones to bolster no-nuke conclusions. Timely and systematic measurements for debunking nuclear causes should have included samples from areas closer to hot-spots.

Moreover, tritium is diluted by water. In fact, we know from the document millions of gallons of water were sprayed onto the debris pile along with several rainfall events, some heavy.

It makes perfect sense that tritium from consumer products (e.g., exit signs, weapons sights) would leach into the water as HTO (tritiated or heavy water), which is how tritium primarily occurs in the environment. However, readers must make assumptions (a) that such consumer products existed in sufficient quantity within the WTC, (b) that the diluting HTO pathways to the scant few measuring locations were as they were so neatly story-boarded, and (c) that the measurements are complete and accurate.

Regarding this last assumption, while the EPA limit for tritium in drinking water is 20 (nCi/L), the normal high background/standard level for tritium prior to 9/11 was 0.065 (nCi/L). Therefore, sample 1 [0.164 (nCi/L)] from the WTC storm sewer was 2.5 times greater than expected, while sample 37 [<0.21 (nCi/L)] from the grass in Brooklyn & Brooklyn Heights (2001-10-27) was 3.2 times greater than expected. Let's not forget the split water sample (2001-9-21) collected from the basement of WTC Building 6 that contained 2.83 and 3.53 (nCi/L), which are 43 and 54 times the expected levels, respectively.

Transported with the Fire Plume


Indeed, the grass in Brooklyn & Brooklyn Heights (2001-10-27) had tritium measurements 3.2 times greater than expected.
There was also a possibility that some HTO would have been transported with the fire plume during the first several days after the attack and deposited downwind.

A tritium by-product is not be just HTO but also HT, which is similar to hydrogen gas. Ignoring for a moment the assumption from the passage that the tritium source was consumer products being destroyed by the fire plume at ground zero, neutron nuclear devices could be the source of the fire plume plus HTO as well as HT gas, which would not be measured for a bent scope that assumed only consumer products as a tritium source.
Several sources of tritium were considered and analyzed, as consistent with the experimental data: i) EXIT signs in the buildings, ii) emergency signs on the airplanes, iii) fire and emergency equipment, iv) weaponry, and v) timepieces.

Faults in the Conclusion


Here are some interesting aspects from the study's conclusions highlighted:
34 Ci of tritium were released from the emergency tritium RL signs onboard the two Boeing 767s, on impact with the Twin Towers at the WTC. The measurements and modeling are consistent with a prompt creation of HTO in the jet-fuel explosion and fire, deposition of a small fraction of HTO at ground zero, and water-flow controlled removal from the site. The modeling implies that the contribution from the aircraft alone would yield the HTO deposition fraction of 2.5%. This value is too high by a comparison with other incidents involving fire and tritium. Therefore, the source term from the airplanes alone is too small to explain the measured concentrations, and another missing source is needed. ... The exact activity of tritium from the weapons was not determined. The data and modeling are consistent with the tritium source from the weapon sights (plus possibly tritium watches) in the debris, from which tritium was slowly released in the lingering fires, followed by an oxidation and removal with the water flow. Our modeling suggests that such a scenario would require a minimum of 120 equipped weapons destroyed and a quantitative capturing of tritium, which is too high, since many weapons were found with only minor damage and tritium sights are shielded in a metal. Therefore, such a mechanism alone is not sufficient to account for the measured HTO concentrations. This indicates that the weapons/watches are consistent with the missing source, which would have complemented the airplane source.

I will re-phrase this conclusion, but beforehand, readers should note that the speed and precision of both aircraft as well as the damage inflicted that was caught on video suggest from physics that they were not commercial aircraft. Therefore, when this study concludes with bold statements about the amount of tritium attributed to "emergency tritium RL signs" in 767's, it is starting from weak assumptions about the nature of the aircraft and what they would contain. (Pilot-less aircraft being used missiles don't need cockpits, seats, or exit signs, among other things.)

As the conclusion progresses, it buries the fact that its mathematical modeling of the aircraft situation yielded an HTO deposition fraction that was too high in comparison with historical incidents involving fire and tritium, yet was still too small to account for the tritium measurements.

To fill the gap, they turn to the supposition that tritium RL sights on weapons could account for this, whereby their modeling suggests a minimum of 120 so-equipped weapons destroyed with leaking tritium. Alas, this number is not golden by itself, because many weapons were recovered with only minor damage. The study mentions "evidence that weapons belonging to federal and law-enforcement agencies were present and destroyed at the WTC," but does not provide an accurate reporting of how many total weapons needed to be accounted for, of what weapons were found, of their state of damage, or of where they were stored before the destruction.

The extent that measured tritium came from weapons (and watches) becomes a big unsubstantiated assumption, just like the assumptions into the nature of the aircraft.

The conclusion is a bit forced but perfectly in line with the bent scope of the study: "This indicates that the weapons/watches are consistent with the missing source, which would have complemented the airplane source."

The authors succeeded in conveying the message that -- whatever the true source -- the lingering tritium was at benign levels with respect to human health, if indeed reported measurements can be trusted and despite the limited number of samples chosen for the bent scope study.

http://www.physics.isu.edu/radinf/tritium.htm
The radioactive decay product of tritium is a low energy beta that cannot penetrate the outer dead layer of human skin. Therefore, the main hazard associated with tritium is internal exposure from inhalation or ingestion. In addition, due to the relatively long half life and short biological half life, an intake of tritium must be in large amounts to pose a significant health risk.

Miniscule


Debunkers try to explain WTC tritium away as miniscule, insignificant, and with negligent health impacts. With respect to where and how it was measured for the goals of their report to speculate about consumer RL devices, this does not have to be false. But with regards to the significance of even a miniscule amount being larger than expected, it does not have to be the complete story on 9/11 tritium, either.

No warranty, liability, or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information...


Before we end a review of the study, let's highlight its wonderful disclaimer:
This document was prepared as an account of work sponsored by an agency of the United States Government. Neither the United States Government nor the University of California nor any of their employees, makes any warranty, express or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, apparatus, product, or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. ... This work was performed under the auspices of the United States Department of Energy by the University of California, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory under contract No. W-7405-Eng-48.

Dr. Jones spinning it further


Now let us return to Dr. Jones' report, "Hard Evidence Repudiates the Hypothesis that Mini-Nukes Were Used on the WTC Towers".

As proven above, Dr. Jones based his "no nukes" paper on a deeply flawed government report that did spotty measurements of tritium at Ground Zero. The government study notes that they were "unable" to test at numerous places, especially deep underground where the high temperatures and molten steel were observed. Should have been a red flag.

Dr. Jones uses the incomplete tritium numbers from "Study of Traces of Tritium at the World Trade Center" and then frames the discussion as a large thermonuclear (fusion) bomb, and writes:
Many millions of curies of tritium are present in even a small thermonuclear (hydrogen) bomb. (Note that tritium can be generated during the blast from the reaction of neutrons on lithium deuteride.) Yet the observed tritium levels at GZ were in the billionth of a curie range.

Assuming we can trust the measurements given in that report [a big assumption], it re-defines "trace" or "background" levels of tritium to be 55 times greater than it was prior to 9/11 in order to downplay any adverse health effects. Dr. Jones in his paper accepts this report unchallenged, re-iterates "trace" as the re-defined level, supports the contention of its negligent health effects, and then introduces a blatant logic error best summarized as follows:
"Nuclear weapons of type X, Y, and Z have radiation signatures of A, B, and C. Radiation signature D was measured. Thus, the cause of the WTC destruction was not nuclear weapons of X, Y, or Z nor any other nuclear device."

Other than airplane exit signs and police gun sights, Dr. Jones does not speculate much into the radiation signature D (tritium), which is a signature of a fusion device.

Dr. Jones at various times talks about using his Geiger Counter on dust samples that didn't measure any radiation. Of course not. (a) If there was significant radioactivity released, some such elements have short lives both in terms of time and distance. (b) A Geiger Counter is intended for alpha, beta, and gamma radiation, and will not produce results with a Deuterium-Tritium detonation that gives off neutron radiation that requires sophisticated equipment to measure.

Dr. Jones then goes on to challenge:
Can proponents of the WTC-mini-nuke hypothesis explain how large releases of tritium did NOT happen on 9/11/2001?

This question is malframed in many ways: the nature of the device, how the energy and radiation were directed (e.g., upwards), and that large releases of tritium did not happen.

In other words, large releases of tritium probably did happen on 2001-09-11. Any conclusions that imply otherwise were based on measurements that were not taken systematically in a timely fashion and happened after much dilution in water (or dissipation in HT gas).

Brief Detour into Nuclear Weapons


Nuclear weapons differ in how much heat, blast, light, pressure and radiation they produce. By altering the physical structure of the device and the proportion of its explosive components, different effects can be achieved. Let's take a brief detour into nuclear weapons, because 9/11 misconceptions are purposely created by mixing concepts of one with another to supposedly debunk that 9/11 was nuclear.

Fission Nuclear Weapons


9/11 did not employ conventional thermonuclear weapons based on the fission process, "in which isotopes of uranium or plutonium are compressed into a "critical mass or fissile core) and then split by heavy, sub-atomic particles called neutrons. The energized neutrons reproduce themselves in an explosive chain reaction. Each fission neutron reaction releases an average of three neutrons, yet these account for only a minimal proportion of the weapon's total energy output. By far the largest share is transmitted through the thermal heat and blast of recoiling fragments of radioactive uranium and plutonium atoms, which comprise most of the weapon's fall-out." [Source for quotations.] It is an uncontrolled chain reaction and thus a fraction of fissile material is fissioned. Fission products that are produced along with enormous amount of energy, disperse in the environment.

Fusion Nuclear Weapons


9/11 did not employ conventional thermonuclear based on the standard fusion process, in which the isotopes of the lightest element, hydrogen, namely deuterium and tritium, are combined into a slightly heavier atoms of helium through a reaction that is "triggered" by the tremendous temperatures (between 10-100 million degrees) and pressures generated by a fission explosion. At the instant of detonation, fusion weapons release about 5% of their energy in the form of prompt radiation, and the rest is dispersed in the thermal pulse and blast effects. A standard thermonuclear device will destroy buildings in a vast shockwave of heat and pressure. In addition to fission products we also have neutron-induced radioisotopes that are also dispersed along with enormous amount of energy in the environment.

Battlefield Neutron Weapons


9/11 did not employ a neutron weapon as intended for the battlefield. A neutron weapon is a fission-fusion thermonuclear weapon in which the burst of neutrons generated by the fusion reaction is intentionally not absorbed inside the weapon, but allowed to escape. A neutron bomb requires considerable amounts of tritium. It releases 80% of its energy in the prompt radiation (lethal to living tissue high-energy neutrons and gamma rays) while blast effects are kept to a very low level. Some neutrons do react with other material and produce radioisotopes. The fission bomb is kept as small as one can assemble and the amount of tritium and deuterium is kept large. Once the fission bomb raises the temperature so as to initiate tritium-deuterium (D-T) reaction, the fusion energy evolved in the D-T reaction keeps the temperature high for a longer duration and thus keeps the reaction going for relatively a longer time. 14.6-MeV neutrons shoot out in all direction, but can be deflected to some extent. The ones that are directed toward the sky do not harm humans or cause property damage.

The battlefield application would ignite the neutron bomb at some elevation in the atmosphere. Human life is destroyed by neutrons over a certain area under the bomb. As the distance becomes longer between the spot where the bomb is detonated and the ground, the neutron flux also reduces. The blast typically would be confined to a radius of no more than a couple of hundred meters but a massive wave of penetrating neutron radiation would knock out tank crews, infantry and other personnel. Unlike thermonuclear fission weapons, the residual neutron radiation of fusion devices dissipates within hours. The neutron flux can induce significant amounts of short-lived secondary radioactivity in the environment in the high flux region near the burst point. The alloys used in steel armor can develop radioactivity that is dangerous for 24-48 hours.

Tactical Neutron Weapons


9/11 changed the application of the fusion-based neutron weapons. Fusion nuclear weapons of tactical yield are hard to design and implement, with the probability of "nuclear fizzle" increasing as the explosive yield decreases. As the debunkers readily point out, even the smallest known conventional fusion bombs would be too energetic for the tactical destruction of 9/11.

However, when those same micro-nuke fusion bombs are configured as neutron bombs, the massive neutron radiation energy can be directed upwards, and the remaining blast and heat effects is decreased to a tactical level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_design
Officially known as enhanced radiation weapons, ERWs are more accurately described as suppressed yield weapons. When the yield of a nuclear weapon is less than one kiloton, its lethal radius from blast, 700 m (2300 ft), is less than that from its neutron radiation. However, the blast is more than potent enough to destroy most structures, which are less resistant to blast effects than even unprotected human beings. Blast pressures of upwards of 20 PSI are survivable, whereas most buildings will collapse with a pressure of only 5 PSI.

High Temperatures during the Destruction


Extremely high temperatures during the World Trade Center destruction by Steven E. Jones, Jeffrey Farrer, Gregory S. Jenkins, Frank Legge, James Gourley, Kevin Ryan, Daniel Farnsworth, and Crockett Grabbe5.
The temperatures required for the observed spherule-formation and evaporation of materials observed in the WTC dust are significantly higher than temperatures reachable by the burning of jet fuel and office materials in the WTC buildings. The temperatures required to melt iron (1,538 °C) and molybdenum (2,623 °C), and to vaporize lead (1,740 °C) and aluminosilicates (~2,760°C), are completely out of reach of the fires in the WTC buildings (maximum 1,100 °C).

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The formation of numerous metal-rich spherules is also remarkable, for it implies formation of high-temperature droplets of the molten metals, dispersed in the air where they cool to form spherules.

We observe spherules with high iron and aluminum contents, a chemical signature which is not consistent with formation from melted steel.

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The data provide strong evidence that chemical reactions which were both violent and highly-exothermic contributed to the destruction of the WTC buildings.

A neutron nuclear bomb could do this.

Under-Rubble Hot-Spots


"Environmental anomalies at the World Trade Center: evidence for energetic materials" by Kevin R. Ryan, James R. Gourley, and Steven E. Jones:
For months after the destruction at the World Trade Center (WTC) on 11th September, 2001, the fires at Ground Zero (GZ) could not be put out, despite the following facts.

- Several inches of dust covered the entire area after the destruction of the WTC buildings.

- Millions of gallons of water were sprayed onto the debris pile.

- Several rainfall events occurred at GZ, some heavy; and

- A chemical fire suppressant called Pyrocool was pumped into the piles (Lipton and Revkin 2001).

What the Dust Reveals


From Jeff Prager's work. The contents of dozens of dust samples acquired by the US Geological Survey:
Barium and Strontium: Neither of these elements should ever appear in building debris in these quantities. The levels never fall below 400ppm for Barium and they never drop below 700ppm for Strontium and reach over 3000ppm for both in the dust sample taken at Broadway and John Streets.

Thorium and Uranium: These elements only exist in radioactive form. Thorium is a radioactive element formed from Uranium by decay. It's very rare and should not be present in building rubble, ever. So once again we have verifiable evidence that a nuclear fission event has taken place.

Lithium: With the presence of lithium we have compelling evidence that this fission pathway of Uranium to Thorium and Helium, with subsequent decay of the Helium into Lithium has taken place.

Lanthanum: Lanthanum is the next element in the disintegration pathway of the element Barium.

Yttrium: The next decay element after Strontium, which further confirms the presence of Barium.

Chromium: The presence of Chromium is one more "tell tale" signature of a nuclear detonation.

Tritium: A very rare element and should not be found at concentrations 55 times normal in the basement of WTC-6 no less than 11 days after 9/11, which is another "tell tale" sign of nukes.

Dispelling the Error in the Belief: 9/11 was a Nuclear Event


From Veteran's Today:
To sum up the WTC1 and 2 operation: a series of shape charged mini-neutron bombs are detonated from the top of the buildings to the bottom to simulate a free fall collapse. Material is ejected upward and outward due to the shaping of the mini-nuke charges. Two giant 110 floor 500,000 ton skyscrapers are destroyed in 9 and 11 seconds respectively. Cement and steel are turned into very small particles while paper blows down the street.

Why didn't the paper catch on fire? First it's hard to light a piece of paper on fire in a wind tunnel. Second the paper's high tensile strength to weight ratio allowed the lightweight paper to blow away in the blast wave while the heavier material was vaporized. Paper has give to it.

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Why was there no flash? When small bombs are detonated inside of giant skyscrapers the flash is hidden from view.

When it's over, nuclear fissile material is leftover and it reacts for months creating 1,500 °F ground temperatures (China Syndrome).

Hundreds of dump trucks of dirt are required to be hauled in and out to clean up the mess.

The USGS collects dust samples that show elevated levels of uranium, thorium, barium, strontium, yttrium and chromium which indicates fission has taken place.

The DOE collects water samples that have elevated levels of tritium, which indicates fusion has taken place.

So a fission triggered fusion bomb such as a neutron bomb would explain the USGS and DOE samples quite nicely. So we have a text book case of nukes being used but the manner they were deployed in is so far from what the average person suspects that it takes years for the mini-nuke theory to gain prominence.

My beliefs regarding the causes of 9/11 destruction have morphed "all over the place" over time, as is fitting for how nuggets of truth reveal themselves in the 9/11 dis- and mis- information streams [which this very article is probably one.] This duped useful idiot apologizes in advance for any potential misleading. 9/11 neutron nuclear DEW changes the information and provides a new frame that is not yet fixed.

John Maynard Keynes is credited with saying: "When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?"

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42 comments:

  1. Not sure if you are referring to Energy Weapons or not.. but there is extensive evidence of this being the case. Not much else would have steel beams disintegrate in mid air, for one. Regarding the Mayan Calendar. It never indicated an end date. You did a really great job on this article.

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  2. Why a Part 2 that is essentially the same lame assumptions as part 1?

    Repeating nonsense doesn't make it any more sensible.

    Dawn, no beams disintegrated in mid air.

    Señor is referring to directed energy beam weapons powered by a neutron nuclear power source.

    See, for rebuttal:

    http://cotocrew.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/prologue-new-wave-911/

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    Have fun with this one Señor, I will leave you alone to speculate as you will here.

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  3. Like Sandy Hook we don't know what tem did what, when and how. But we know what it wasn't. The Official Story.

    I'd like to tell Sirhan it wasn't him but that won't get him out of jail. Even if EM howitzer was used(and i thingk it was tested during the demolition) and we found both Rogue/Jones and Once/Woods were correct who hangs? Noooooobody.

    Love the effort, hate the division. I had to move on.

    Still like to hear the theory on where the passenger went. Like the 'hook' are they in Greenland or North Korea in MK Ultra? Maybe underground in a small world under Disneyworld.

    Does the no passenger theory theory fly? What would be the death count without them? Hmmm. I'll have to subtract that sometime.

    Congrats on the post Mr. Eleven. Any other subjects as well.

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  4. I second what PD said which is brilliant. As for my opinion on how they came down... I think they threw everything but the kitchen sink at the towers....it's called fail safe. Fact is, how they came down doesn't matter a bit. What matters is that the cockroaches that did this still scurry around free.

    As I've argued with rogue before, the division this has caused in the movement is exactly what the bastards want. So why fall for their tactics?

    But then I know you guys are like pitbulls holding on to a rope and just can't let it go because you love the fight. eh? ;)

    Nice article Senor.

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  5. Much wisdom is imparted in the words of the participants above.

    Yep, the WTC destruction is my hobby-horse that will probably get put out to pasture in the coming year. Been eleven years since the event...

    Nobody hung. Nobody will probably ever be hung.

    The two aspects of this that will matter are:

    (1) The nuclear mechanisms will be used again, so keep your eyes open. [Actually, I recall an assassination in some ME country that took out a car and a building in a manner that to me resembled just one of the many neutron devices of 9/11.]

    (2) The media went to great lengths to tell stories that were false, and the public's collective memories on the incident were never corrected even when errors were pointed out. To this day, their message on 9/11 remains consistently wrong.

    They play us. Seeing how they played us in the past gives clues to how they'll play us in the future.

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  6. Read the whole thing Señor,

    Don't just scan through this, read the whole thing an grok.

    It may knock you off your 'hobby-horse'...and it would be about time.
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    https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/911/911_evidence_for_bombs_thermite_at_WTC.html

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  7. I will have no problems with convincing evidence and analysis knocking me off of my neu nookiedoo hobby-horse, but the latest entry into your support documentation -- "9/11: The World Trade Center Collapses" -- doesn't do it.

    I am surprised at what your expert "grokking" misses. Just because your support documentation has nifty temperature charts relating to thermite and puts them within a few page-scrolls of images of bent pieces of 9/11 steel does ~not~ prove "cause-and-effect."





    Let us be fair and objective about this. Make your case for how any amount of thermite mixed or not with RDX could sufficiently heat those ~adjacent~ steel beams so quickly and thoroughly to result in horseshoes and arches (and not blow them apart or leave other explosive marks.)

    You see, your mixture is typically deployed in a fashion that is secured right on a steel beam in order to cut it in pieces or blast it to smithereens. I'm good with that. However, the bent beams in question were not wired for demolition; no marks of such are on them. If we stay within the story of thermite, those steel beams were most likely in the vacinity of such. While those colorful charts of temperatures that thermite et al can reach are appropriate for the "burning/cutting edge," their hot temperature decreases with distance from that edge. The arches themselves needed to be thoroughly heated outside-in, end-to-end to give us what resulted.

    Show me the math and science on how thermite can heat steel beams one or more steel beams over, outside-in, end-to-end to make such smooth arches possible. And while you are at it, include calculations -- from Dr. Jones perhaps -- regarding how much would be required and how long it would take. Put it into a spreadsheet as a function of distance. Not a wild-goose chase or busy work, I assure you. You champion it? You own it; you defend it appropriately with math and science. That link? It doesn't. It just provides innuendo.

    On the other hand, if the source of the heat is a nuclear reaction from a neutron bomb and with its ignition temperature levels reaching several orders of magnitude hotter than those colorful charts, its ability to make hefty steel beams pliable and bendable is much easier to believe. That's where I'm at.

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  8. I don't need to do math or sort numbers to address your faulty assumptions Señor.

    To assume that these twisted beams are the immediate result of the explosions is without foundation. You do not know that they were not bent and twisted while deep within a pile of material weighing thousands of tons on top of them, nor do you consider the reports of it being "like a foundry" down in that mess.

    But most important you have no proof of inexplicable radiation. You have no basis thereof to argue that case.

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  9. With lots of vin and vigor comes the PR assertion from Mr. Rogue:
    "I don’t need to do math or sort numbers to address your faulty assumptions Señor."

    Yes, he does.

    What he calls "assumptions" is evidence that theories of super-duper nano-thermite (and RDX) do not adequately address. Case in point, pay attention to the phrase "like a foundry" in the following:

    "To assume that these twisted beams are the immediate result of the explosions is without foundation. You do not know that they were not bent and twisted while deep within a pile of material weighing thousands of tons on top of them, nor do you consider the reports of it being “like a foundry” down in that mess."

    What was it that sustain the foundry like temperatures? Let me guess. I say the hot-spots resemble nuclear devices fizzling, just a few of the many deployed. The alternative theories based on chemical-based explosive and incendiary materials? How long is that imaginary garden hose in which they are packed for their known brissanty burn-rates to account the many-week duration of hot-spots?

    Readers of the forum should note the skillful PR hypnotic suggestion:
    "But most important you have no proof of inexplicable radiation. You have no basis thereof to argue that case."

    "Inexplicable?!!!" El-Oh-El !!! In other words, if an explanation is provided by the government for the tritium radiation, no matter how lame it is revealed to be from deeper investigation in terms of being able to address comprehensively something other than its "bent scope" of plausible consumer RL devices -- that it hasn't proven and still speculates --, the very fact that it is an explanation means "inexplicable radiation" can be skewered, eh? Most clever and deceitful wordsmithery.

    Pay attention to the radiation signature of a neutron nuclear device, technically a fission-triggered-fusion device that allows its neutrons to escape in a directed fashion (upwards). What sort of lingering radiation does it leave?

    Let's put it this way. The closer to the time and place of ignition that measurements are taken, the better, because signature alpha, beta, gamma, and neutron radiation will be greatly dissipated within 48-72 hours. And tritiated water gets diluted, particularly through the actions of firemen and heavy rain storms. Tritium, tritium, tritium. Even in miniscule quantities that are proven to be greater than trace levels, it supports nuclear themes.

    "The study on tritium" meets the objectives of its "bent scope" admirably, but when properly understood, it also completely undermines the foundation of Dr. Jones no-nukes article that tries to use it to say "there wasn't much radiation or tritium. Period." The "bent scope" didn't require timely samples taken from relevant locations that included close to hot-spots.

    In addition as a blatant omission, Dr. Jones' analysis of the dust reveal nano-thermite flakes but not correlations of elements proving that fission occurred; neither he nor AE911Truth tested for other explosive residue (e.g., RDX) in the dust. WTF is up with that?

    Upon what does the 911TM build its no-nukes beliefs?

    Geez, and I call myself the duped useful idiot. ... If my belief foundation is proven faulty, I change my beliefs. So,...

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  10. > "Tritium, tritium, tritium. Even in miniscule quantities that are proven to be greater than trace levels, it supports nuclear themes."

    Hysterical bullshit Señor,

    As I have pointed out in the commentary section of my post [1], the minuscule quantities of tritium are hardly inexplicable. All it proves is that industrial pollution is at epidemic levels in criminal industrial dumping at landfills.

    And it is in these ludicrous round'about carousels that always leaves me to the point of simply saying, "Fuck It" when dealing with you.

    [1] See: http://cotocrew.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/prologue-new-wave-911/

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  11. "I say the hot-spots resemble nuclear devices fizzling, just a few of the many deployed."~Señor

    Then you would have concurrent and readable radiation to be detected, of which there is none. Thus it is more reasonable to assert a chemical source for the continuing burning in the deep rubble piles. By "fizzling" you mean fission.

    Fission is radioactive by its very definition. We went through this whole thing more than a year ago Maxidroid, but you keep bleeping the same tapeloop.

    Kryst on a kracker...

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  12. Dear Mr. Rogue wrote:
    As I have pointed out in the commentary section of my post [1], the minuscule quantities of tritium are hardly inexplicable.

    It don't mean shit that the tritium was minuscule, Mr. Rogue. In fact, you are letting this dupe you just because the levels measured at far flung places and days later were below EPA levels, so were christened "safe for humans."

    What matters is that the tritium measured was significantly greater than would be expected. And you would already know this if you had bothered to read my postings on your prologue before having deleted them out of spite, not for their foul language or ad hominem.

    Please provide the sources for this:
    All it proves is that industrial pollution is at epidemic levels in criminal industrial dumping at landfills.

    As far as I can tell, you are pulling this "industrial dumping" out of your ass. Link me to the official 9/11 report that says that industrial dumping at landfills had leakage ~back~ to the WTC to explain their elevated tritium levels on 9/11.

    Fool. The tritium ticket was one-way, draining from the WTC complex into various water ways. The tritium was not leaching back from industrial dumping "far, far, away." And the perpetrators of 9/11 knew this, which is why they bent the scope on the study of tritium and brainstormed tritium sources at the WTC such as airplane exit signs, weapons gun sights, and timepieces... And still had problems with errors in the mathematical modeling as well as evidence. Speculation at its finest!

    I think you don't know squat and haven't reviewed the "study on tritium" (or my review) to fully appreciate its "bent scope". The surprise is that this report supports neither Dr. Jones in his no-nukes analysis nor you in your claims of industrial pollution being the source of the tritium.

    I appreciate your sentiments of "fuck it" when dealing with me and wish that you would get there sooner.

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  13. If it wasn't nuclear fizzle, what was it? How were the temperatures maintained between energetic spikes, spikes that by themselves were attributed by Dr. Jones and Mr. Ryan to energetic materials?

    Your clueless understudy must be making your postings now.

    Yes, fission is radioactive. Fission-triggered-fusion in the neutron bomb.

    Fizzle is not fission. What it releases in radioactivity could be easily contained in the PR sense when the official reports on such can so easily be assigned "bent scopes." (You make up the fifth column in those media efforts, it seems.)

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  14. Mr. Rogue, son of a Mrs. [x]. A. Wright, ...

    Nice lie about your motives for deletion, but it don't fly.

    First, you have demonstrated your skills at editing my postings in your threads. You could have edited out any personally offending sentences, while leaving the other statements in place. Nope. You didn't, because your case doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

    Second, your reactions deviate from the topic so that you can play the victim, instigate a flame war, and stay off-topic: neu nookiedoo.

    Third, you forgot to mention the casting of agency aspirations onto you as supposedly grounds for giving me the "silent treatment." Alas, this, too, is something you could edit out if you found offensive.

    Fourth, you're the one getting all hysterical and re-animating the coincidence that I simply pointed out, that I haven't been milking, and that wouldn't be damning if you wouldn't engage Mr. A. Wright in nonsense, no less. Kick that sleeping dog, why don't you, Mr. Rogue?

    You have a very telling guilty reaction, Mr. Rogue. In your ego-manical stupidity, what are the consequences, if true, of you sticking your hand up the butt of an internet sock-puppet? It wasn't as if you were tag-teaming them and gang-banging faux concensus on a topic in a thread... (Were you?) It wasn't as if you were banned and resurrecting yourself. All good stories need both a protagonist and an antagonist, so, if true, you were simply penning both sides to get conflict and attract reader interest, like all great authors do. If true, your biggest crime might be operating both handles of the pincer attack to steer Mr. McKee's forum.

    Yep, lots of "if true's" there to underscore that I don't know anything except that your over-reactions over-play your hand and add more life to the charge.

    Fifth, the COTO Rules of Engagement:
    Personal attacks are not allowed, and will be deleted. ... The first offense will result in a warning. The second offense will result in moderation. The third offense will result in removal from the site.

    In other words, Mr. Rogue, I do not have to tolerate your foul language directed at me on my threads or on yours. Don't get yourself removed from your home COTO court on a technicality... listed, dated, and linked to make the admin's judgment call a no-brainer.

    Too bad I have real-life plans for 2013 completely different from the funny cyber game of getting you to foul yourself out. Avoid comments like your last one, and you'll easily outlast me.

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  15. Yea yea Sashadick...that sounds like just what a cop would do; report the use of Anglo-Saxon to the authorities.

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  16. You're the cops Max, as sure as if you had flashed a badge.
    That is no hobby horse, it is a piebald cruiser with lights on top.

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  17. "High school writing classes teach students ~not~ to use over-generalizations in their persuasive papers, phrases with “all”, “every”, “always”, “none”, “never”, “NOTHING” etc. An opponent merely has to find a single exception to discredit the assertion."~Señor El Once

    "When I look back on all the CRAP I learned in high school, it's a wonder I can even think at all."~Simon and Garfunkel – 'Kodachrome'

    This is epistemic bullshit. These “over-generalizations” are well recognized in common speech to be amended as “practically speaking", that in a “practical” sense, the use of such terms can only be attacked by rhetorical disingenuous arguments that will claim that a singe item can pull down an entire argument for the casual use of everyday language.

    We do not speak here in a formal debating club. And reaching to such hyperbole bullshit as being spewed by Señor El Once is just another fucked up game that this guy plays. This runs along side of his pretense of frailty in the face of the use of Anglo-Saxon. Just more disingenuous crap from a PR stooge.

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  18. http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/


    1. Disintegration of 99% of concrete into ultra-fine dust (50% of particles under 100 microns in samples from three locations, Dr. Thomas Cahill and his group measured concentrations of particles in ranges from 0.09 to 2.5 microns).

    2. Superheated steels ablating?vaporizing continuously as they fall?as seen in video clips of the towers collapsing.This requires uniform temperatures roughly twice that of thermate (see Figure 17a below).

    3. The North Tower spire stood for 20-30 seconds, evaporated, went down, and turned to steel dust. 6. Electrical outage over a wide area with repairs taking over three months, suggesting EM pulses.

    7. Fires took 100 days to extinguish despite continuous spraying of water and huge rainstorms.

    8. Brown shades of color in the air suggest something odd occurred. Air had pH levels of 12 of a maximum 14. TV and documentary footage changed the color balance to blue to disguise this fact according to Rick Siegel, indicating complicity in the cover-up.

    9. Elevated tritium levels measured in the WTC area, according to Siegel, but not elsewhere in New York.

    10. Pyroclastic flow observed in concrete-based clouds must have resulted from explosives, not thermite. Huge expanding dust clouds multiples times the volume of the building, indicating extreme levels of heat in excess of traditional demolition explosives.

    11. Some rescue workers and 14 rescue dogs died too soon afterward to be attributed to asbestos or dust toxins.

    12. Decontamination procedures used at Ground Zero (hi-pressure water spraying) continuously for all steel removed from site. Constant scrubbing of the site made it look like it was clean enough to eat off of. Officials plainly did not want any outsider to find something.

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  19. The skew of Mr. Rogue -- the proven liar and cheat -- goes like this:
    Why would anyone want to obfuscate such solid, in fact ‘Best Evidence’ such as Thermite in the dust from the WTC towers?

    The problem isn't that thermite *might* have been involved. The problem is that what the cheat calls "best evidence" is really a ploy to have it been deemed the "only evidence" and for honest researchers to stop looking.

    The fact of the matter is that this "thermitic best evidence" does not account for all of the observed side-effects of the destruction, from the pulverization to the maintenance of under-rubble hot-spots for many weeks. It comes up very short.

    Plus, there's tritium, tritium, tritium and what proper analysis of the WTC dust reveals: correlated elements signifying involvement in the destruction and representing a recipe for nuclear hijinx.

    Why would anyone want to obfuscate such solid, in fact ‘Best Evidence’ such as [Uranium and other questionable elements] in the dust [representing nuclear sources] from the WTC towers?

    It is because "9/11 nuclear anything" (a) would have caused a panic in the public despite the pains the culprits took in designing neutron nuclear devices without copious amounts of lingering radiation and (b) would have immediately soiled the hands of the US Government and Military, the largest holder of nuclear toys of any kind.

    Moreover, tactical nuclear devices without lingering radiation represents a national secret into methods-&-means that the government would want to hide for as long as possible, even 11 years later in an obscure COTO forum.

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  20. What follows are one-side of some re-purposed postings on the themes of Dr. Judy Wood and neutron nuclear DEW. They are being posted out of context here but with links back to where they first appeared.

    They are being re-posted here so that they can serve as counter-weight to Mr. Rogue's "PROLOGUE New Wave 9/11".

    HARSH LANGUAGE WARNINGS:

    When someone demonstrates the skills of a blacksmith, a welder, a carpenter, a plumber, a farmer, etc., it then follows that it should be a compliment to acknowledge their talents and call them by their profession. Unless the talents have their own connotations.

    Below Mr. Rogue will be called "a weasel," "a liar", and "a cheat" with substantiation, thus making them valid character assessments. Reference is also made to agency affiliations, but that is without substantiation, in passing, and not a theme that I earnestly pursue.

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  21. 2013-03-08

    Mr. Rogue writes the following lie:
    That this anonymous troll calling itself “senor el once” calls anyone who disagrees with it “a liar”.

    No, I call anyone liar who is proven to have done just that.

    Don't want to be called a "cheat?" Then don't cheat in your debate techniques.

    Don't want to be called a "liar?" Then don't be offering up what quickly unravels to be not true.

    Now if Mr. Rogue wants to redeem himself in some way from having been exposed repeatedly telling "lies," a good place to start is his new promise:

    I am trying to keep my posting count to a minimum here so as not to enrage the animal{s}.

    Try harder, please.

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  22. Mr. Rogue is reminded that he wrote (2013-04-12):
    I am off of this lunatic’s endless carousel ride.

    And under "PROLOGUE New Wave 9/11" (2013-04-19)
    The entity calling itself ‘Señor’, can go around and ’round on it’s creaking carousel for as long as it wishes. Alas, I am through with this. \\][//

    If there be any more spins beyond these final words, we'll know someone grabbed the handles and was manually pushing the carousel into his revolution.

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  23. Mystery Solved: The WTC was Nuked on 9/11 By Don Fox, Ed Ward, M.D., and Jeff Prager

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  24. I am another late arrival to this most interesting conversation - currently reading through all the posts and absorbing the arguments and counter-arguments. I will not - even if I am brave enough to do so! - attempt to contribute any opinions of my own until I've read all the material through.

    However, I spotted this comment from Señor El Once:

    Quote:
    "...the WTC destruction is my hobby-horse that will probably get put out to pasture in the coming year. Been eleven years since the event…"

    ... and I just wanted to briefly say - on the assumption, of course, that Señor El Once is still watching this topic! - that I feel it would be a very great shame to take the view that 9/11 is, simply due to the passage of time, no longer worthy of interest or debate. In fact, I would say the opposite: new data arises all the time, and new and better theories and arguments are proposed; and, in any case, the sheer enormous significance of the events of 9/11, no matter one's views as to what really happened, must mean that it is a topic which will never "become old".

    I myself, just for example, have been researching 9/11 in as much detail as I can for some years, and I thought I'd discovered most of the core facts and theories on the subject, but I chanced across this site today and I've found a wealth of brand new information and arguments here which I'd inadvertently missed. I'm sure I'm not the only one in a similar position.

    Anyway. @Señor El Once personally: I find your views to be well-expressed, well-researched and very interesting, and, in my opinion, it would be a great pity if you were to give up on 9/11 as a topic of debate. Of course, it's not for me to tell you how to spend your time, and it's entirely your prerogative to ignore me completely, but I, for one, think that you and your logical, valuable arguments would be a significant loss to a vital subject of concern to many people.

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  25. If these posts weren’t questionable enough, there is the October 29, 2012 Veterans Today article by Don Fox, along with Clare Kuehn, Jeff Prager and four others. Veterans Today is the publication that editor Gordon Duff says is about 30% “patently false.”

    “About 30% of what’s on Veterans Today is patently false. About 40% of what I write is at least purposely partially false, because if I didn’t write false information, I wouldn’t be alive.“ Duff – Video Link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3m-ZY0R1HdQ#t=0s

    http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2013/06/gordon-duff-exposed-nazi-connection-2447900.html

    http://fauxcapitalist.com/2012/12/01/veterans-todays-gordon-duff-and-his-elite-bio/

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  26. {Edited 2013-06-25 to remove comments directed at Dawnatilla. Also removed several comments from JersyG and Dawnatilla, the latter who gave fawning adulation of Mr. Rogue.}


    I tolerate Mr. Rogue's recent comment on my thread, because it is relevant and valued. I disagree with less than 5% of Mr. Rogue's words posted on Truth & Shadows. I don't follow him here on COTO anymore.

    Meanwhile, let the record show that ~I~ did not remove these words of Ms. JerseyG. As a blog administrator, she {admitted to having WordPress problems and deleted them} herself -- twice, based on what came in through email. Her valued words (saved from emails) were:

    LISTEN TO ALL..FOLLOW NONE. Good Advice. I have no heroes in “journalism” nor am I a sycophant to anyone. Take the info from each one and decipher it for yourself. THere are jewels of info coming form most sources we all listen/read here. Once again, separate the non gmo wheat from the gmo crap ;)

    Second version:
    LISTEN TO ALL ….FOLLOW NONE.. Excellent advice. Too many sycophants fawning over the various “truther gods.” We really need to stop that. None of them are saviors or heroes. THere are real jewels to be garnered from the many sources we all listen/read here on the net and also a lot of disnfo type crap. Every last one of them have been found wanting in one category or another by myself and I’m sure the rest of you as well. We need to be smart enough to recognize the difference between a cubic zirconia and a diamond. It’s not that easy since they perfected the cz to have the same kind of sparkle.

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  27. {2013-06-28 Edited by SEO to remove statements by Ms. Atilla saying she may have accidentally deleted comments by Ms. JerseyG. No, SEO deleted those comments and a few others on that theme as well, they having served their purposes and weren't in the long-term interests of this article. Apologies given and accepted.}

    Jersey Girl

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    but what I really wanted to say is this ; DOES IT FUCKING MATTER WHETHER THEY USED SWORDS OR KNIVES IN A MURDER???? THE POINT IS THE MURDER!!! THE GODDAMN MURDER!!!! THIS QUIBBLING IS GETTING SILLY AND A WASTE OF ENERGY..AND GUESS WHAT? THE CABAL LOVES THIS KIND OF STUFF. ARGUE ON.

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  28. {2013-06-28 SEO removed admission to deleting comments.}

    Dear Ms. Atilla,

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    You asked:
    DOES IT FUCKING MATTER WHETHER THEY USED SWORDS OR KNIVES IN A MURDER????

    Actually, yes it does. To use your analogy: Was it a kitchen knife accidentally at hand from dinner salad preparation? Or was it premeditated by grabbing an ornamental sword out of a locked display cabinet and honing its edge to sharpness beforehand?

    Relating to 9/11, three weapons were used, and knowledge thereof is important to righting what is wrong. Those three weapons? The obvious one has been the theme of these discussions: nuclear means. Like taking a hunting knife and slitting a throat ear-to-ear, nuclear mechanisms display an extra degree of callousness.

    The second weapon? Mass media.

    We nuked ourselves, and then created a media spectacle to tell us AUTHORITATIVELY (but not factually) what the cause was, and it tweren't supposedly nukes or controlled means, but "a pile driver under the force of gravity."

    9/11 Incontrovertible Proof the Government is Lying
    9-11 WTC Biggest Gold Heist in History: $300 Billion in Bars

    The third weapon? Money or debt.

    The bank heist wasn't limited to the gold taken from below WTC-4. It included the laundering of massive wealth in the immediate days after the stock market opened. [Read about the Black Eagle Fund and the Marcos Fund, which financed black operations and brought the Russian economy to its knees under Bush I.] The laundering of that money back into the system actually led to the mortgage crisis, because once back in the system, it was available to lend many times over and purposely set up the 99% of the world into enslaving themselves with greed and debt that could not be afforded. Recently I've read from Bill Moyer, I think, that if you took what we spent on the Iraq war, we could have paid for the higher education of our nation's students.

    The means matters, because Truth matters.

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  29. there is a picture of said beams disintegrating in air!! I will find it!!

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  30. Directed Energy Weapon Evidence
    “Evidence of use of a directed energy weapon was present at the top of the WTC buildings as ‘lathering up’ started before buildings started coming down. ‘Lathering up’ in videos preceded the collapse of all buildings, even Building 7 which supposedly Larry Silverstein when he said, 'Pull it' to firefighters meant controlled demolition.

    Color alteration and modification in news videos compared to other photos/videos at tops of buildings indicates “doctoring” of images. When the Seattle Dome was destroyed with controlled demolition, the dust created by the destruction did not get any higher than the top of the building.

    The WTC dust got into the upper atmosphere almost immediately – which indicates very tiny atmospheric dust sized particles (0.1 micron and smaller), in fact smaller than atmospheric dust that stays mainly in the Troposphere.


    “Lathering Up” Incriminating
    “WTC Building 7 ‘lathered up’ even before WTC Building 2 went down. WTC Building 7 not damaged at all by WTC Building 2 going down – right next to each other.”


    Freon tanks
    “Very odd, large tanks were removed from WTC building and OSHA made bogus statement about what and why they were removed. Was Freon used in WTC takedown?

    A NYC cop whom the researcher met with Cindy Sheehan said he was injured in WTC Building 7 and removed on a gurney, but his eyes were covered so he could not see anything as they left the building.

    He reported he was able to see dead bodies lying all over the floor as he was being carried out – before building 7 had collapsed. Was this due to Freon asphyxiation put through ventilation system like in a recent Russian submarine dis/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_146.htm_911_146.htm_911_146.htm>

    9/11 witness evidence of use of directed energy weapons at WTC
    Where Were All the WTC Bodies?
    “Emergency Room physicians Dr. Tony Daher and Dr. Lincoln Cleaver were interviewed on TV on 9/11 about the casualties. They said there weren’t any casualties after about noon on 9/11. No more casualties came to the Emergency Room. Firemen saw no bodies but talked about the antenna on top of building 1 that was at ground level on top of about one story of rubble.”

    No Fires In Buildings
    “William Rodriguez, Senior Janitor at WTC said there were no fires in the buildings. He conducted rescue efforts, saved injured workers and had keys to every lock in both buildings.”

    Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab Beam Weapon Demonstration
    In 1955 the microwave oven was invented and was a concept for a beam weapon. In the summer of 1990, the researcher observed a demonstration of the Livermore Shiva laser facility in the middle of the night. A 16’ diameter amber colored beam was shot straight up into the sky from the lab and all air traffic was diverted for a 5 mile radius during the demonstration. When the researcher asked a grad student working at the laser facility what they were trying to do, he said, “Make a star”. The researcher knew that could not be true because lasers are used to molecularly dissociate materials by releasing tremendous amounts of energy as very advanced and complex waveforms. Livermore had long been involved in development of HAARP [a directed energy weapon] since 1978 in secret collaboration with the Soviet Union, and advanced beam weapons.

    Minneapolis Bridge Collapse (August 1, 2007)
    The researcher states, “Similarities to WTC disaster, every bridge segment [in the August 1, 2007 Minneapolis bridge collapse] failed at exactly the same time instead of domino effect after first collapse. This defies the laws of engineering. It should have been one place failed and sequential domino-like failures followed for a normal engineering collapse.”

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  31. Dear Ms. DawnAtilla,

    Thank you for your effort at providing substantiating quotations. It has, unfortunately, two major problems: namely, (1) you did not credit the source(s); (2) you did not connect these quotations together into a meaningful "whole." Moreover, it is hard to tell which words and analysis are yours, Ms. Atilla, if any.

    Some of the quotations seems to come from Dr. Judy Wood, and maybe a snippet from Alfred L. Webre and his interviews with Mr. Richard D. Hall and Andrew D. Basiago.

    Yeah, well, Dr. Wood's work has its own strong points and weaknesses. I suppose a great example of the latter is her inability to synthesize the efforts of other 9/11 researches (e.g., the anonymous physicst) or to address valid specific criticism of others. If I remember correctly (no guarantees and I'll apologize if I get this ASSUMPTION wrong), Dr. Wood wrote this quotation that you used:
    Basements Of WTC Buildings Undamaged
    "Stuffed mannequins in the basement of WTC with clothing on were carried out of the basement undamaged. If a 100+-story WTC building collapsed into its basement and left a 35-story rubble pile, there would be nothing left in the basement. Even streetcars underground at the WTC were pulled out after the collapse and had no damage."

    The skew here is to mix two buildings of the World Trade Center complex (namely the towers) with the complex itself. The underground shopping mall may have had stores directly below the towers (and other WTC buildings), but the mall -- being a mall -- had many other stores that were technically ~between~ the two towers and other WTC buildings (and were under the WTC plaza). The "bathtub" that held out the waters of the Hudson consisted of an area much larger than the footprints of the two towers. Debris from the destroyed buildings (WTC-1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7) did not destroy every square inch of the much larger WTC complex. In this context, I see no contradiction between the escavation of "undamaged goods" (or rather, "not-crushed goods" from certain mall stores) and the statements about everything directly beneath a 100+ story tower being destroyed.

    But Dr. Wood's collection of evidence that all 9/11 theories-du-jour must address remains a strong point. I encourage readers to objectively review Dr. Wood's work for valid evidence, but with the caveat that she does have disinformation and skew amidst the nuggets of truth, as exhibited (I ASSUME) above.

    As for the other trio in the quartet that you name drop: I've enjoyed reading their works in the past, but -- to put it nicely -- consider them entertaining fiction writers. I think they subtract from the credibility of whatever argument you were trying to make.

    I don't know where you were heading or what you were trying to prove with your two postings, because your hypothesis statement and conclusion didn't exist so failed to connect anything together for me.

    Taken at face value, I think all of your quotations (except the trio's contribution) that talk about anomalous effects exhibited on 9/11 (if true and not skewed analysis) fit into the paradigm of a neutron nuclear DEW devices that I have championed.

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  32. Oh yes Im sorry was doing that in a rush from phone...and yes you are right on all accounts..my reasons for pasting the information is this: I find the "evidence" compelling...it was in no way shape or form a desire to prove anything..or restart the debate. Sometimes I simply cannot control myself :). I get most of my info from www.bibliotecapleyades.net

    Sent from my HTC Status™ on AT&T

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  33. I will only post once here because I do not wish to engage with Senior El Once in an endless merry go round. This is what I have to say about the mini nuke theory.

    When you can show us some measurable and verifiable radioactivity at ground zero I will consider the possibility of mini nukes being used. Failing that I reject the mini nuke theory as flagrant disinformation. Of course if you can show valid documentation that ANY nuclear device, that does NOT emit radiation post detonation, actually exists I will reconsider my position. Failing those two things I have no interest or time to read your incredibly long winded posts that go on and on AND ON forever.

    No radiation = no nuke.

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  34. "No radiation = no nuke."

    Hmmm....brilliant in its simplicity. Isn't it.

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  35. {The following is written by Mr. HybridRogue, who I call triple-W, because he is too much of a weasel to post here and be challenged directly.}

    2013-08-08

    "To assume that these twisted beams are the immediate result of the explosions is without foundation. You do not know that they were not bent and twisted while deep within a pile of material weighing thousands of tons on top of them, nor do you consider the reports of it being "like a foundry" down in that mess."~Rogue

    "What was it that sustain the foundry like temperatures? Let me guess. I say the hot-spots resemble nuclear devices fizzling"~Senor

    Notice that Senor does not answer my point at all, but leaps to another topic entirely. And he never comes back to the point that he has no proof of when those beams were deformed, after his assertion it happened during the explosions. The whole post is at the URL below on December 26, 2012 at 11:28 am for you to see for yourself.~Rogue

    http://cotocrew.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/911-neutron-nuclear-dew2/

    And the issue I just covered as an example of Senor leaping ahead spewing encyclopedic rhetoric, while never actually addressing a given point, is his constant MO. While I have attempted to get him to address head-on the known profile of a chemical demolition, and he fact that both the towers and Bldg7 have every single attribute. Senor will not address this point, but will insist that "we must take the whole event as the profile" – this is a clear and obvious dodge – we WILL take the whole event as profile, after we address the prime questions first. And one of those primary questions is, how is it that the destruction of the buildings matches the profile of a chemical explosive demolition in every single detail, if it is not in fact, chemical explosive demolition?

    He simply insists that it couldn’t have been because of the ‘hot spots’, but that is another issue that does NOT answer the primary question, but leaps ahead to his argument about hot-spots.

    The fact is that the profile of a nuclear destruction of the WTC would differ substantially from the known profile of the chemical demolition. One of these would be the tell-tale blinding flash of a nuclear detonation. The walls of the buildings would not contain this like normal light. This is also accompanied by an electromagnetic pulse which would have fused electronics for miles around the Trade Center. That would mean there would have been no videos or broadcasting of the events at WTC on 9/11.

    Senor’s come back is always ‘but these were tiny little nukes’, that is also why they didn’t make any radiation. The nuclear flash would take place if the explosion came from a device the size of a grape. If this had the power to turn the concrete to dust as Senor exaggerates, then the profiles of such a powerful device would be apparent.

    But Senor does attempt to address an EMP, but again he misframes the actual physical effects, claiming it can scorch steel and blow up cars. A powerful enough atomic blast can cause such damage. But that would be a blast that would have been even more visible. But more; all of the materials would be radioactive. Not some little bit of tritiated water in a basement, the whole place would have been hot with real radiation. All of Senor’s pleading otherwise is simply unmitigated bullshit.

    And this is a discussion about the profile of the destruction of the WTC – the actual explosive event.

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  36. O failed kubernētēs, prone and wailing magister ludi, tried and wanting, heavy of carne who hath cast thy spirit into Hades' fire. Take thine damned meat-package and cast it therein as well. Taunt us no more with thy empty boasts of wisdom. Languish with the swine from whence thou spawned. We care not to drink from thy bladder of urine flavored vinegar. The puss that crusts and seals thine eyes is not worth an empty wager.
    ~Magus Maverik

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  37. >"Did he address how fire-fighting efforts dampened his theory of what was burning under the rubble without sufficient or constant sources of air? No...."~M.F.
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    Aye, for these be taunts to a bellowing sphincter and naught else.

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  38. "Señor is like a tar baby that once it gets stuck to you – you can never get it off."~Keenan Roberts

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  39. I have one comment, it is to point out that, yours Señor, is Argumentum Verbosium - and it seems to work for you in some instances.

    You lob such a complex and convoluted mix all together in one blast that it is exhausting to go through a complex rebuttal. As I personally don' give a shit what you think about these things anymore I have no intention of dealing with it.

    If others wish to buy into this mixmaster razzmatazz that is their business.

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  40. Jejune Mr. Rogue has difficulties when discussions get "complex", it seems. I underestimate his advanced age if "it is exhausting to go through a complex rebuttal."

    Mr. Rogue is of the mistaken impression that a single big message is worse to deal with than n smaller postings of equivalent content. Actually one big message is better, because it doesn't create n forks in the discussion that then become a different form of Argumentum Verbosium, forum-flooding, and distracting shot-gun tactics. A single big message is authored, edited, and refined, necessitating more contemplative thought and more time in both its composition and any rebuttal. It isn't shoot from the hip to get the last tweet in before the others do, which is Mr. Rogue's claim to retirement fame.

    If he personally didn't give a shit what I think, why did he hypocritically post here? He has proven himself intellectually incapable of acknowledging nuggets of truth at even the lowest levels of "convolution in the mixture." Shot his objectivity all to hell, as well as his honesty in the recent past, shuffling all his postings into the bin "Distrust but VERIFY".

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  41. "Were any games played in the form of re-defining “background levels” as was done in the Tritium Report?"

    Maybe, maybe not. It is up to supposition isn't it...yes it is.
    Just like your entire proposal - pure speculation.

    There is ONE THING and one thing only that is NOT speculation; that is the nanothermetic product found in the dust by Jones-Harrit.

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