How many times have we said "we're living in a science fiction novel/ movie"? Let's see how big a list of those films we can accumulate. I'll start us off with a few of the obvious. ~jg
1984.. Big Brother is watching. Except now it's Big Sis and those telescreens are about to go up everywhere. "if you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever."
Brave New World...Let's hear it right from the author Aldous Huxley in an interview w/Mike Wallace 1958 ..
The Matrix..No doubt about it, COTO took the red pill...."you felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is but it's there, like a splinter in your mind driving you mad."
Minority Report .. precrime, retina scans, hologram ads adressing you by name in malls ..
Invasion of the Body Snatchers.. Ok, on the surface it's supposed to be about invaders from space but I see it more as a parable about how the NWO reptiles managed to turn thinking human beings into pod people. Listen to COTO because you're next !
Eagle Eye... Techno Big Brother on steroids... "they are always watching"
Here is some dialog from our real science fiction show here and now...from another forum, speaking to one of the ponerists personally:
To Longely, a Eugenicist,
As long as you continue to hold on to this pathetic view of history that "ideology" is the major motive force in politics you have no place shaming others for miscomprehended history.
You do not comprehend the architecture of modern political power in the slightest.
POWER is the only question...the only one my Psychodoppler.
It is the power over the control of money that generates political power. Anything else is a discussion of style and form--but not the substance of the issue. You are hypnotized by your own academic programming, you are no wiser than the "commoners" you so obviously disdain.
"Ideology" is a myth and lullaby for the masses and the go-betweens to those who hold the reigns to power.
You are dishing out lollipop history to the children like a ballgum machine. ww
___________________________________He replies: “You've have already shown yourself to be woefully ineducable. History is not a science. It is not factual. Don't make matters any worse for yourself than you already have. I've already suggested that you and some others like yourself here try to learn something about Behavioural Economics. If you can't do as instructed, I suggest you watch TV, or do something even less taxing, as you're currently wasting your time posting here.”~David Longley February 5, 2011 - 5:53 pm ***********
Wo-ho, now Longley, that is a classic. I am saving this one for my docs.
I am as you say, “woefully ineducable”. Untwining that Newspeak means, totally beyond your attempts at reprogramming one of “the lost boys” of your empire of Political Ponerology.
Do as I'm “instructed to do”? I am, in your deluded mind, one you have the authority to instruct...? I see.
You have heard of delusions of grandeur I am sure—but don't recognize it in the mirror.
You say “history is not a science”, as if I made such a claim.
I did not.
However systems science is, a “science”, a hard science. In fact a well established science, applicable to many disciplines , and especially useful in the topic of political science.
There's that bloody word again aye, “science”. A word that is often used to define the voodoo world of “psychology”, which is NOT an exact science, no matter how you stack your linguistics with multilateral jabberwacky.
Your a real piece of work Longley, a mad hatter in a social straitjacket. But I'd love to hear more of your “theories” As entertainment they are as good as some science fiction I have read, ww __________________ February 5, 2011 - 6:11 pm | Permalink “The conclusion with respect to our clinical, forensic and educational problems:- better birth control/population management aka eugenics. As this was the conclusion in the first half of the C20th in the UK and beyond, what happened?”~Longley
Yes, you speak of eugenics, something the Harriman Skull and Bones family exported to Nazi Germany as they were prepping Hitler for his spectacular place in history.
I’m afraid I will have to state point blank that there are few I despise more than the eugenicist. You can save your Mengele mad scientist voodoo bullshit on the inside of your trousers.
I certainly hope NO ONE “learns” any of your creepy voodoo wacknobbles. You are the one that needs to be in a straight jacket. ww \\ll//
I went to get gas the other day and the pump was talking to Me hawking some bullshit additive. You cant get gas until you answer the machine yes or no,just like in Judge Dread
This Longely lackey needs to hang himself by his lower intestines, with one end in his mouth. Then he'd understand the frighteningly foul taste of the bile he spews.
Hey...it's not everyday one has the opportunity to quiz a full on psychopath. This guy is no chumpchange punk either--he was high up in the US penal system designing training regimes to program his inmates. I've read some of his white papers on the internet. Banal technocratic evil.
The rest of the dolts on this "white identity" site just think he is "annoying"...having no idea of what a dangerous monster they are really dealing with. Most don't even understand what he is saying.
I left the URL to POLITICAL PONEROLOGY the free PDF on another thread. You should download it and read it Boom. Important stuff. \\ll//
Well, to start with, I think this kind of dictatorship of the future, I think will be very unlike the dictatorships which we've been familiar with in the immediate past. I mean, take another book prophesying the future, which was a very remarkable book, George Orwell's "1984." Well this book was written at the height of the Stalinist regime, and just after the Hitler regime, and there he foresaw a dictatorship using entirely the methods of terror, the methods of physical violence. Now, I think what is going to happen in the future is that dictators will find, as the old saying goes, that you can do everything with bayonets except sit on them! That if you want to preserve your power indefinitely, you have to get the consent of the ruled, and this they will do partly by drugs as I foresaw in "Brave New World," partly by these new techniques of propaganda. They will do it by bypassing the sort of rational side of man and appealing to his subconscious and his deeper emotions, and his physiology even, and so making him actually love his slavery. I mean, I think, this is the danger that actually people may be, in some ways, happy under the new regime, but that they will be happy in situations where they oughtn't to be happy.
That's so freakin creepy Korny but even more annoying. Luckily I won't have to deal with that because we don't have self serve in Jersey. I never saw that movie but remember it starred Sly Stallone. I looked up a description of the movie:
Judge Dredd is a legendary futuristic lawman renowned for his iron-fisted procedures. When Dredd is framed for murder by his enigmatic arch-rival, the entire planet finds itself on a deadly collision course which only the fearless judge can alter.
Koalice that's one of my favorite scenes as well. Excellent choice. The movie "network" is in my top 5 "relevant" movies of all time.
Thanks for adding the Huxley text transcript of his interview with Mike Wallace to supplement the video I posted :) It's amazing that took place in '58 and we're finally realizing it today.
how about "Logan's Run", "Blade Runner", "Soylent Green", "Metropolis" (An old silent movie") "The Stand", "Demolition Man" and the SCI FI channel show "Battlestar Galactica" for various levels of depressing looks at the future; and any Star Trek movie, "2001: A space Odyssey" and various books by Asimov, Ben Bova Arthur C Clarke, Samuel Delaney, Harlan Ellison, Alan Dean Foster, David Gerrold, Frank Herbert...etc as examples of a positive future?
And let us add Anthony Burgess's dystopian masterpiece CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
Have you ever read Alfred Bester's STARS MY DESTINATION? A wonderful and imaginitave book garnering much praise...one of my all time favorites. But there are so many...yes...yes...
Toots, we are already exposed and hangin' out. Remember this is the panopticon, right here right now. There raggin the goon to his face or here chatting about it. This is cyberspace, not your livingroom, or where ever you are on your computer, in the material world.
I've freely chosen to fear nothing and let the chips fall where they may. So have you...all of us. We can't un-say a single word we have said on line. Dig it and let it setlle 'cuz dats da way tis.
As a matter of fact, what is happening right now in Egypt, now that things are on a slower simmer--the state goonsquads are going for all the twitter leaders and their networks for some personal calls. All in the "still of the night" when no one else is watching.
All the public yada yada is so much flatualence--now the nitty gritty comes into play. “Mubarak needs to be treated as he deserved over the years...”~Cheney That is how the West really feels about this... \\ll//
almost said Clockwork Orange, but it's not truly sci-fi but as you say dystopian. Only have read Besters Hugo award winning book "the Demolished Man". I have at least one sci fi author on my book shelves from each letter of the alphabet except 'q' and have probably sold 3-400 of my collection over the years as I accumulated so many...at one point had every Star trek novel (original cast" up to book 60 or so and about 25 others of various other versions (next generation, DS-9, etc). I think my favorite 'old-school' author is Arthur C Clarke, and for newer authors I really like Robert J Sawyer, John Barnes, and Stephen Baxter.
Sounds like the sci fi library I used to have. I also sold a whole lot of books back in the early 90s. I save a good portion of hardbound books, but almost all the paparbacks are gone now...I don't exactly have a warehouse to shelve all my books, which are now mostly poli-sci, history and such, plus a lot of large format artbooks.
The last sci fi I read was that cyberpunk novel, Neuromancer...almost two years ago. My enterest in fiction has wained in proportion to my involvement with the political...but my mindset is formed by the cognition tha sci fi meets history at the present moment. \\ll//
Ah, just one flash of Dana Winters...makes my whole evening....
ReplyDeleteYes, INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS is very relevent to the "sci-fi" of it all.
Thanks JG. I can really relate to this.
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Here is some dialog from our real science fiction show here and now...from another forum, speaking to one of the ponerists personally:
ReplyDeleteTo Longely, a Eugenicist,
As long as you continue to hold on to this pathetic view of history that "ideology" is the major motive force in politics you have no place shaming others for miscomprehended history.
You do not comprehend the architecture of modern political power in the slightest.
POWER is the only question...the only one my Psychodoppler.
It is the power over the control of money that generates political power. Anything else is a discussion of style and form--but not the substance of the issue.
You are hypnotized by your own academic programming, you are no wiser than the "commoners" you so obviously disdain.
"Ideology" is a myth and lullaby for the masses and the go-betweens to those who hold the reigns to power.
You are dishing out lollipop history to the children like a ballgum machine.
ww
___________________________________He replies:
“You've have already shown yourself to be woefully ineducable. History is not a science. It is not factual. Don't make matters any worse for yourself than you already have. I've already suggested that you and some others like yourself here try to learn something about Behavioural Economics. If you can't do as instructed, I suggest you watch TV, or do something even less taxing, as you're currently wasting your time posting here.”~David Longley
February 5, 2011 - 5:53 pm
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Wo-ho, now Longley, that is a classic. I am saving this one for my docs.
I am as you say, “woefully ineducable”. Untwining that Newspeak means, totally beyond your attempts at reprogramming one of “the lost boys” of your empire of Political Ponerology.
Do as I'm “instructed to do”? I am, in your deluded mind, one you have the authority to instruct...?
I see.
You have heard of delusions of grandeur I am sure—but don't recognize it in the mirror.
You say “history is not a science”, as if I made such a claim.
I did not.
However systems science is, a “science”, a hard science. In fact a well established science, applicable to many disciplines , and especially useful in the topic of political science.
There's that bloody word again aye, “science”. A word that is often used to define the voodoo world of “psychology”, which is NOT an exact science, no matter how you stack your linguistics with multilateral jabberwacky.
Your a real piece of work Longley, a mad hatter in a social straitjacket. But I'd love to hear more of your “theories” As entertainment they are as good as some science fiction I have read,
ww
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February 5, 2011 - 6:11 pm | Permalink
“The conclusion with respect to our clinical, forensic and educational problems:- better birth control/population management aka eugenics. As this was the conclusion in the first half of the C20th in the UK and beyond, what happened?”~Longley
Yes, you speak of eugenics, something the Harriman Skull and Bones family exported to Nazi Germany as they were prepping Hitler for his spectacular place in history.
I’m afraid I will have to state point blank that there are few I despise more than the eugenicist. You can save your Mengele mad scientist voodoo bullshit on the inside of your trousers.
I certainly hope NO ONE “learns” any of your creepy voodoo wacknobbles. You are the one that needs to be in a straight jacket.
ww
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I went to get gas the other day and the pump was talking to Me hawking some bullshit additive. You cant get gas until you answer the machine yes or no,just like in Judge Dread
ReplyDeleteThis Longely lackey needs to hang himself by his lower intestines, with one end in his mouth. Then he'd understand the frighteningly foul taste of the bile he spews.
ReplyDeleteHey...it's not everyday one has the opportunity to quiz a full on psychopath.
ReplyDeleteThis guy is no chumpchange punk either--he was high up in the US penal system designing training regimes to program his inmates. I've read some of his white papers on the internet. Banal technocratic evil.
The rest of the dolts on this "white identity" site just think he is "annoying"...having no idea of what a dangerous monster they are really dealing with. Most don't even understand what he is saying.
I left the URL to POLITICAL PONEROLOGY the free PDF on another thread. You should download it and read it Boom. Important stuff.
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http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/Mike_Wallace_interviews_Aldous_Huxley_May_18_1958.html
ReplyDeleteWell, to start with, I think this kind of dictatorship of the future, I think will be very unlike the dictatorships which we've been familiar with in the immediate past. I mean, take another book prophesying the future, which was a very remarkable book, George Orwell's "1984." Well this book was written at the height of the Stalinist regime, and just after the Hitler regime, and there he foresaw a dictatorship using entirely the methods of terror, the methods of physical violence. Now, I think what is going to happen in the future is that dictators will find, as the old saying goes, that you can do everything with bayonets except sit on them! That if you want to preserve your power indefinitely, you have to get the consent of the ruled, and this they will do partly by drugs as I foresaw in "Brave New World," partly by these new techniques of propaganda. They will do it by bypassing the sort of rational side of man and appealing to his subconscious and his deeper emotions, and his physiology even, and so making him actually love his slavery. I mean, I think, this is the danger that actually people may be, in some ways, happy under the new regime, but that they will be happy in situations where they oughtn't to be happy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnYZVNVqBgU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI5hrcwU7Dk&feature=related
Ah splendid Koalice...one of the coolest movie scenes of all times.
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That's so freakin creepy Korny but even more annoying. Luckily I won't have to deal with that because we don't have self serve in Jersey. I never saw that movie but remember it starred Sly Stallone. I looked up a description of the movie:
ReplyDeleteJudge Dredd is a legendary futuristic lawman renowned for his iron-fisted procedures. When Dredd is framed for murder by his enigmatic arch-rival, the entire planet finds itself on a deadly collision course which only the fearless judge can alter.
Hmmm.... Did you like the flick?
Koalice that's one of my favorite scenes as well. Excellent choice. The movie "network" is in my top 5 "relevant" movies of all time.
ReplyDeleteThanks for adding the Huxley text transcript of his interview with Mike Wallace to supplement the video I posted :)
It's amazing that took place in '58 and we're finally realizing it today.
Wow, that guy is a real creepazo. Stay away from him Will. Seriously.
ReplyDeletehow about "Logan's Run", "Blade Runner", "Soylent Green", "Metropolis" (An old silent movie") "The Stand", "Demolition Man" and the SCI FI channel show "Battlestar Galactica" for various levels of depressing looks at the future; and any Star Trek movie, "2001: A space Odyssey" and various books by Asimov, Ben Bova Arthur C Clarke, Samuel Delaney, Harlan Ellison, Alan Dean Foster, David Gerrold, Frank Herbert...etc as examples of a positive future?
ReplyDeleteAh a true SF connoisseur Mr. Griffeth.
ReplyDeleteAnd let us add Anthony Burgess's dystopian masterpiece CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
Have you ever read Alfred Bester's STARS MY DESTINATION? A wonderful and imaginitave book garnering much praise...one of my all time favorites.
But there are so many...yes...yes...
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The Parallax View - Director: Alan J. Pakula : Warren Beatty
ReplyDeleteThree Days of the Condor: Directed by Sydney Pollack. Starring Robert Redford
ReplyDeleteBeing There: Directed by Hal Ashby. Starring Peter Sellers
ReplyDeletePyramid was a nice touch
Toots, we are already exposed and hangin' out. Remember this is the panopticon, right here right now. There raggin the goon to his face or here chatting about it.
ReplyDeleteThis is cyberspace, not your livingroom, or where ever you are on your computer, in the material world.
I've freely chosen to fear nothing and let the chips fall where they may.
So have you...all of us. We can't un-say a single word we have said on line.
Dig it and let it setlle 'cuz dats da way tis.
As a matter of fact, what is happening right now in Egypt, now that things are on a slower simmer--the state goonsquads are going for all the twitter leaders and their networks for some personal calls. All in the "still of the night" when no one else is watching.
All the public yada yada is so much flatualence--now the nitty gritty comes into play.
“Mubarak needs to be treated as he deserved over the years...”~Cheney
That is how the West really feels about this...
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Life is a state of mind...
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loved em all, just read A D Forsters latest, cliff hanger and brilliant. Human meld.
ReplyDeleteand harlan ellison oh damn all good :-)
almost said Clockwork Orange, but it's not truly sci-fi but as you say dystopian. Only have read Besters Hugo award winning book "the Demolished Man". I have at least one sci fi author on my book shelves from each letter of the alphabet except 'q' and have probably sold 3-400 of my collection over the years as I accumulated so many...at one point had every Star trek novel (original cast" up to book 60 or so and about 25 others of various other versions (next generation, DS-9, etc). I think my favorite 'old-school' author is Arthur C Clarke, and for newer authors I really like Robert J Sawyer, John Barnes, and Stephen Baxter.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxl0LMT20yY&feature=related
ReplyDeleteHey OZ,
ReplyDeleteI knew Harlan E. when I lived in the Valley. Love his writing, speshly I HAVE NO MOUTH AND I MUST SCREEM and STOP HARLEQUIN.
He is however a "little man"...in all the Napoleonic senses of the term {grin}.
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Gawd I love that movie. Thanks Koalice.
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your welcome rogue,
ReplyDeleteit's not what the heart feels
but that whereby it does
this is the mystery
of which the sages speak
Sounds like the sci fi library I used to have. I also sold a whole lot of books back in the early 90s. I save a good portion of hardbound books, but almost all the paparbacks are gone now...I don't exactly have a warehouse to shelve all my books, which are now mostly poli-sci, history and such, plus a lot of large format artbooks.
ReplyDeleteThe last sci fi I read was that cyberpunk novel, Neuromancer...almost two years ago. My enterest in fiction has wained in proportion to my involvement with the political...but my mindset is formed by the cognition tha sci fi meets history at the present moment.
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That's beautiful Koalice...
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