I insist, once again; There is no cosmic devil—no Satan. Only the idiot mass mind which is a social phenomena, not some metaphysical psychic trombone from outer space.You have nothing to fear but psychopaths with their hands on the systems of sociological control. Your everlasting soul is safe no matter how whacked out your mental epistemology, no matter how twitchy your emotional landscape.
Fear has an exponential aspect to it once you tip over into it. Once you have reached the blithering point it is most difficult to help yourself or to allow others to. But if you haven't reached that point, don't feed the beast. Relax, find some way to draw back. You are only looking into a twisted mirror of your own making there. Keep that in mind. If you have some soothing mantra, now is the time to let it take you to the stillness you seek.
Hysteria feeds upon itself. Maybe you just need a good slap. All the spooks and bugaboos are just stories...stories you should not believe, for they are what twists the mirror. You will find many of these stories told through organized religion. If you are in this situation run for your life. If it hasn't helped you get a clue—it isn't going to.
Your problem is shame or guilt, these are the basis for all emotional problems, for all emotional trauma, for all exponential nose dives into pain. Let it go, it will only drive you to act in such a way as to compile more shame, more guilt. It is this circle that becomes a cycle that becomes a vortex that leads you to that exponential hell...that hall of twisted mirrors.
If you believe in a devil, your devil will believe in you.
Easier said than done? Yea, that's life, everything is that way, even your triumphs. Remember them.
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Friar Friar Pants on Fire;
We discussed hubris once before here.
Just because YOU cannot conceive that there is any other way to know the Source and creator of this Universe, doesn't mean that there is in fact no other way than the path you have chosen.
I can see from your absolute certainty displayed on these threads how men of your position would go as far as was gone in the Inquisition, go so far to SAVE souls as to burn their mortal bodies at the stake, and all the other unspeakable crimes of fanaticism.
And it is this very fanaticism that I was speaking to earlier...which MANIFESTS as utter and organized vile and utter evil on earth by the works of man himself...yes, the unspeakable horrors of torture and murder in the name of the Christ himself--as the history of your church is stained with. Yes to do the work of a devil in the NAME of your god. It is not a matter of what you call it, it is the acts themselves.
Do you have any doubt, because I certainly don't, that had your church the power today that it had in the past ages, that I would be branded as heretic and tortured and burned at the stake?
The second portion here, Friar Friar Pants on Fire, is part of a conversation I had with a Catholic friar on another blog a few days ago.
ReplyDelete"There is no greater slave than the one who thinks he is free"
ReplyDeleteSo Rogue You have never been a heroin addict?.Do ten years as a junkie then come back and tell Me there is no devil.
Yea...YOU know who the devil was....now doncha Korn.grin
ReplyDeleteNo, cigarettes are the only things besides hot ta ta that I was ever adicted to.
I will say Korn, like most [all?] of us I have experienced deep psychological trauma; viewed as "all my sins remembered", may be an apt descriptor.
ReplyDeleteA long life can hardly avoid such pit falls. The point as I see it, is to 'Name Our Demons'. In thus doing it takes their power away. It says, I KNOW that you are only me in disguise, and that this is guilt torturing me.
I even "met the devil" in an astral experience at one point in this journey. He said, "Aha, I've got you", my reply was simply, "No I've got YOU", and that psychic danger passed.
Was it upsetting and frightening in the aftermath? Sure it was, but I figured it out.
My girl friend who was with me at the time had the worst of it. She said I levitated off the bed. She was so freaked out she left and wouldn't talk to me for days.
Well...who can "explain" such things? I think I scared her at some point just by saying..."be very quite for a moment"...and she hallucinated my supposed lit off to the cieling. But who knows?
Methinks there is confusion between metaphor and Mephistopheles. I have known enough junkies... not one of them survived ten years. Anoxia usually killed them... not "the devil."
ReplyDeleteThe Devil is a fitting metaphor or allegory... just like the talking snake and the Forbidden Fruit. The problem is when twee-heads insist on concrete manifestations of metaphors under pain of death.
It would seem that it is simply too much work for some folk to wrap brain around abstraction than actual red-man with forked-tail and horns who lives underground.
"This is because abstract concepts elicit greater brain activity in the inferior frontal gyrus and middle temporal gyrus compared to concrete concepts when concrete concepts elicit greater activity in the posterior cingulate, precuneus, fusiform gyrus, and parahippocampal gyrus."
In other words, the brain likes to stick to the part that is used the most. Which means that there are plenty of folk who naturally divert "metaphor" to the same part of the brain they use when holding a hammer.
The metaphor "dumb as a bag of hammers" comes to mind, but this is too easy. Most of us have been taught and bred to be "useful obedient workers" and have never had any kind of demand to do or be otherwise. We press the bar, we get our food-pellet.
The Devil is in the details.
Devils and Satan reside in Luciferian. Christ refers to Satan falling like lightning from heaven, therefore to determine this exisitence I must look to an energy or cosmic to terrestrial entity.
ReplyDeleteOnce this light-weight light-bearer touched down things decidedly went south. I'd swear to angels and suppose that this energy exists.
Nephilim, the White House meetings with Val, Area 51 and other factors lend to theories of what this entity appears to be.
Visible light and our encounter with this spectral views of this force are as different as the energies in play on both our parts.
What a heroin addict, frightened child or master sargent sees is different based upon their energy and frequencies at the time. What may be a phosphor bomb burning a child to a crisp or a the campfire during a bad trip could provide a frightening clear image of evil whereas the COMMITTEE satanic worshippers being in the same energy light could get a favorable interpretation.
It is my opinion that Satan has the control of light and radiation and moves through these parallels as we move through air. An infinite number of manifestations for you to see should you choose to investigate against better judgement.
That is why the scalar EM, NASA, Chemists and purveyors of death work overtime. It gives them the positive rush, power and fantasia's they so desire to have like any other addict pursuit. The ultimate chase for the high.
"twee-heads"...Lol That's a good one, I like it.
ReplyDeleteNow Waldo, if you like brain science, you will probably like THE ARCHITECTURE OF POLITICAL POWER, a site that Patrick just put up in COTO links a few days ago when I pointed it out to him
Pouzzner, the author of the site is a systems scientist who was or is working on the national project of mapping the brain. We had several long phone conversations quite awhile back when I lived in SD. A very intelligent fellow as might be surmised.
His site is encylopeadic, but well worth a gander.
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Well Puddy, I have enough respect for personal perspectives to simply let this stand as it is.
ReplyDeleteI do have a cosmic perspective as well, but it is beyond the good and evil one of the time-space experience of this particular plane. And is addressed as an "academic" subject on my part, rather than in the realm of belief systems.
As an aside, I mentioned my conversations with Pouzzner above. Our argument centered around my taking an opposit position having to do with the brain as first and formaost a physical construct, my position being that the mindal facility is preexistant in the wave form. Which twisted Pouzzner's shorts [as it may Waldoskull's]
for it is non other than an argument for the 'soul', which strict materialists like Pouzzner cannot relate to.
My argument there is a scientific one yet. Postulating the physical rules of 'cause and effect' and how this disparaged in the cosmological "Big Bang Theory"--Obviously, the "before" moment of this theory has some real problems if space and time "began" with this singularity...in other words;
"There was nothing, and all the sudden it exploded."...?
It is a fact then, that the theory is, must be based on metaphysics, whether the cosmologists involved admit this or not. Any "before" time, is of necessity meta...or beyond, physics.
Grock?
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"...the mindal facility is preexistant in the wave form."
ReplyDeleteThat don't twist my shorts at all. I am curious to know how "pre-" preexistant has to be. "Before..." WHAT?
However, I have NO problem postulating that the "pre-" arrangement of the physical strings manifests itself in "brain-structure." Seems to follow fractal (or quantile) "natural order" to me.
NOW- I also have a DEEP respect for "ancient/sacred" texts written by those who posited such things before we had particle-accelerators and such. But shit-- I confess-- I ALSO love "Science Fiction."
Sometimes, I'm not sure where the "lines" cross... if there ARE any.
Well, lets see. How about if I postulate thus; the pre-existant wave form is not in the physical plane until "expressed" by "Source"...in other words it is totally "mindal" prior to this expression...referred to in those ancient scripts as "The Word"--which in itself would BE the singularity.
ReplyDeleteYea..."It's all science fiction", that was my moto for years and years.
Re-expressed these days I say, "It's all hocus pocus"
[ 1≡∞ ] ta panta nous...Greek for "the all mind" = ONE
Savvy?
Oh..."before what"...EVERY THING. All of the physical manifestations of time and space.
ReplyDeleteYea, "before" is the paradox in this instance.
Paradox divides the whole--there is only one which cannot be divided. >> [ 1≡∞ ]
I savvy Willie. Now I want to see you explain that to 100-million Shrieking-Cow Palinites who are freaked about "gun rights," "illegal aliens," gay-marriage and abortion. null=nano=eternity. Like Sponge Bob sez, "...good luck with that."
ReplyDeleteGrin...the world itself explains it to each eventually...that's what the mortal coil is all about.
ReplyDelete'Till zen I go yada yada to any who can hear.
I can not express much in Metaphysical philosophy. I do find interest in the after but less interested in the beginnings. The purpose and finality is of interest and Predestination more my flavor.
ReplyDeleteHmmm...well Patrick, The beginning being all things, I would simply say that as it is the eternal NOW there is no END...of course a corpreal end, but that is merely segue and only "the end" of maya; the Illusion of time-space and heavey gravity meat selves.
ReplyDeleteThat is my take on it.
BTW, it is my understanding that the Bible only mentions Lucifer once, and that is actually in referrence to "The Morning Star" and the analogy is being made to the Christos. This is all getting into the Greek trans of the Aramaic and such, which is of course as full of disputes as anything to do with religio squabble.
Ah'm jez a country boy.
ReplyDeleteHey FlaK,
ReplyDeleteYou just getting up, or you up late?
Are you on the other side of the world or sumpin?
No, I'm just here in Spain - One of those little Latin mañana countries down beyond Mexico.
ReplyDeleteHmmm...my charts must be outta date?? But austa bambino hottamali dudios
ReplyDeleteMesclando su Latino, soy bambino, y de Díos sin duda, pero sin línea directa al Gran Señor.
ReplyDeleteSaludos.
I'm out for a couple of hours. Go to bed.
By the way, I'm intrigued who of our select company could be in Dun Caster.
Or Japan for goony sakes...I'm not certain that you have to be actual COTO tho show your flag. I know my flag goes up on Smoking Mirrors even though I am not a sign on there.
ReplyDeleteOrense, Galicia, Spain? Sounds...romantic actually.
Wel I've never been to Spain, but I...oh ya ya how trite, sorry. [grin]
How long have you lived there? Or are you Irish? I never visited Europe. My vacations were always in the South Seas, ever sense "Adventures in Paradise", I have been fascinated with that whole ambiance--my dream life, to go there and stay this time.
My Xodus Weefinoid went to Europe several times while we were batting out with each other. I had already gotten weary of traveling with her and stayed home or did something else.
See how the late night brings out all this 'True Confessions' crap with me? jeeze
Thinking back just now, that you have mentioned Mephistopheles here, if you may have made a sublte passage there?
ReplyDeleteThis legend takes place in Wittenburg, Witten being a dirivitive of the Scot, Wyd'n, as is my last name, being of Scottish blood; Whitten.
Yes, a rather chilling consideration, aye? I mean as to the position taken in the essay.
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If you click my name, you can see many things.
ReplyDeleteEnough for now that here it is a splendid summer morning in which it is good to be alive.
I am just back from the local small town, where the country people, sun-bronzed and generally fairish, are up and about early, visiting town to do their weekly shopping, and all greeting each other in great courtesy, as is habitual here.
I imagine that there is not a hop-head among them, though I see an 'international' name has now a disco here, which indicates the next generation of children are now being weaned on to the 'smarter' habits. - Pity. Progress? No, intended degradation.
You will see that to stop all such retrogression is clean and simple. First simple, then clean.
IMHO, this forum shouldn't be (mis)used for indulging in religious discussions, it distracts from the substantially important core meaning of COTO. COTO publications should focus on developments that we consider relevant to the NWO pushers and alike, which all is subject to rational argumentation.
ReplyDeleteYou cannot rationally argue on aspects of religious belief, because of their irrational nature; attempts to break this principle all too often generate conflicts between individuals of differing (contradicting) beliefs. At COTO, as generally within any group that needs to be united to be effective, we should try to avoid creating reasons for division. If you believe there is no Satan - fine, it's your choice, but I'm not interested to read about it on the COTO page. Nothing personal... ;)
I would take your guide from Puddy Dunne, as it is his site.
ReplyDeleteKind regards,
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Well gee Dave,
ReplyDeleteI have always been impressed with those who will step up and tell me their rules. As it is I like to hear all points of view on a great variety of subjects. It is nice to hear yours here as you have expressed them.
I think you are entitled to your opinion. And although it differs from mine, I won't take any particular insult with it. But I would say that there are many aspects to what you may feel are simply "political" issues.
Political issues being social issues in the larger view of things, there is then in fact a cultural aspect that the narrower issue of politics fits. I see this as a particular truism when I see organized religion as merely politics under a false flag.
I offer you this quote from Pouzzner's web site, The Architecture of Modern Political Power:
“Meaningful discussion and contemplation of the architecture of modern political power depends on an understanding of cultural context. From this context comes the vocabulary of subjection. The long and sordid history of autocracy is clear enough — such regimes are little more than naïve scale-ups of tribal society, intellectually easy to dismiss, and with the proliferation of alternative systems, easy to oust because unpopular. The real hazard now resides within those very alternatives, specifically in those that are mated to a religious ideology, and promise divine reward for obedience, and wrath both earthly and divine for defiance. Theocratic systems like the Islamism of Iran and Saudi Arabia are evidently dangerous and harmful, but the foremost such system is Utopian socialism. Utopian socialism is an ideal vehicle for totalitarianism, as the world learned to its chagrin in the twentieth century. But even where socialism wears a moderate face, its constituent institutions can serve as effective vehicles and disguises for authoritarianism, and for the rearrangement of society along feudalistic lines, so that only a tiny oligarchy has actual control of all property — an arrangement that inevitably wastes humanity's potential for constructive achievement. “
Perhaps you can see how intertwined these issues truly are if you step back and give it further thought.
Most of the members of COTO ended up here as refugees from a “Stalinist Purge” from another forum that had views we found too narrow to put up with. It was in our verbal rebellion against such despotic editorial concepts that led to our excommunication from said site.
I think it would be a shame if such were to take hold here.
And just from another more personal angle, I might say that I don't care that you don't care whether I believe in Satan or not. It seems to me, that it would be a simple matter to merely pass on this article.
Yes? No? Your fear of some sort of wedge being driven between the varied points of view we all may have pertaining to religion, I find a weak argument. I sense a deeper fear of the issue itself that is your own personal concern, not a community concern as you couch it. Be that as it may, this is not something I bring up to bring dissension to the ranks, but again as something you might consider for yourself.
However, it is my hope that you will process what I have said as to the connection between all of these subjects as I have alluded to it and as Mr. Pouzzner has stated in far better terms than I.
Peace, Willy
Thanks for your detailed argumentation on this subject, Willy, and your comment, FS!
ReplyDeleteThere is a fine line between discussing religious organizations or / and their influence on society, thus, on politics, and the discussion about particular details of a religious belief. For example, while it certainly matters (in regard to the NWO crooks) to take notice (and stand up against) the political influence of the Catholic Church (or other politically relevant religious groups), it does not matter whether any person within such a group does or doesn't believe in the existence of Satan, moreover, how the particular believer defines his personal view on this subject.
Otherwise, you can start discussing each and every other detail of a religious belief system as well, and the whole effort will constitute a theological dispute, having little to no significance regarding a better understanding of social mechanisms.
I'm light years away from thinking anyone should be banned, or prohibited to express him/herself freely on this site, I just stated my very personal opinion in regard to the discussion of irrational subjects on this page, that's all. For this very reason I don't argue on your article, though I'd have to say a lot, so your assumption that I may fear the issue itself is definitely unfounded. :)
Peace! :)
Hi Dave,
ReplyDeleteGood I am glad to hear there is no underlying fear there for you. Because if you were to read the article more carefully, that is what I am actually talking about--Fear.
I am also framing it as a practical issue, as to how we deal with such fears.
Whether or not we realize it, when we refer to 'politics', or anyother isssue, we are discussing an existential situation--what it means to us to be human:
Who are we?
How did we get here?
Where do we come from?
Where are we going?
But I am not interested in leading you any further into a discussion in which you do not wish to partake.
So, shall we leave it as it is?
Very good. I have several other articles posted here that you would probably find more to your tastes. I hope you find time to check them out.
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HunterDave: "religion" is the elephant in the room, and whoever/ whatever the NWO is, you can bet they'll be using it aplenty to keep the proles in line... just like monarchs, despots and dictators always have.
ReplyDeleteDat ol divil is just a personification of everything we hate and fear. It works really well for literal-minded metaphor-challenged folk... AND it works really well to characterize anybody the rulers want to make the proles eliminate.
Is the "devil" (or religion) "real?" As real as any psychosomatic pain.
I've been told by Puddy I can post whatever I damn well want here.
ReplyDeleteThis "openness" following I suppose, the experience many had at Kall's site.
Perhaps, subject matter of a religious nature (irrational as you've called it) offends, irritates, perplexes, or generally pisses some folks off? I don't know. And frankly, I don't care. Get over it, or get into it if you choose.
Perhaps, subjects or discussions falling into this religio category (taboo subject that it is) could be relegated to a certain corner, folder, or something, so they are well and good quarantined from our usual fare? Excuse me, but I'm being a bit tongue-in-cheek here, because the one important "control" mechanism I have here on COTO, or for that matter on any site -- is to choose NOT to read anything I don't want to see. Dave, we can all just scroll on by comments or subject matter that doesn't fit our paradigm.
I have my own thoughts on this subject, and in fact, on this particular thread...but I've kept them to myself. Yet, I find it interesting to see what other people believe and think. So, I've read the comments.
It seems to me that "if stew ain't for you" you don't have to eat it.
Once we start "boxing in" thought and free expression, we are beginning the process of group think, instead of exploring the universe of thought, with no parameters. I would like this site to remain a place to Soar, to fly anywhere our minds want to take us. With our mouse we can determine where our limits lie for safe discourse.
All this mental masturbation over things that one can only speculate about. Is there are God? Is there a devil? What makes us do what we do? Is it simply chemical reactions, or is there more?
ReplyDeleteSo many basically unanswerable questions. Not that they shouldn't be pondered its just that in the end none of these questions can be satisfied until we shed this mortal coil, and maybe not even then.
I have no answers, I have a lot of questions. But in the end, all things being equal I don't dismiss much of what is not known to be not true. And in that vain one has to look inside oneself everyday and make choices as to what is wrong and right.
If there is or isn't a God seems to make little difference but it would seem to be justified in believing there is one if for no other reason than to play it safe and give one a guide if need be. If there is a "cosmic plan" than I'm too insignificant to grasp its meaning and to waste too much time pondering such things would seem to be just that, a waste of time.
However in my own world I find that my actions and words do carry significant weight and as such can only try to improve on my condition by making my surrounding environment as positive as possible in the hope that it plays well into the larger picture. And if God smiles upon my actions so be it, of there is no God, so be that too. Its myself that I have to face every morning and myself that does the judging at night as to how well I've done. But there have been experiences I've had in my life that would make me tend to believe that there are God-forces (angles?) that do exist and as such will give credence to that belief. After all, where is the harm in doing so if one keeps this train of thought in prospective? I can only count myself fortunate that I can tell the difference between right and wrong and that I derive comfort from doing good work, beauty, truth and seeking to strive for justice so as to give comfort not just to myself but to mankind in general.
Is this doing God's work? Or is it just the way I'm wired? Who knows? Who can answer? I haven't always been this way and consider myself still far from perfect. There were times in my life that I did things I'd rather not discuss and am ashamed of, but underneath there was always an uneasy feeling during those times that what I was doing wasn't me. Now that I'm older and wiser I feel more comfortable with myself and what I'm doing I tend to be more cognizant of what I'm doing. And in the end what does in matter if there is a God and a devil? For you're only playing to your inner-self and to what makes you feel good. And if it just happens to be the way one is wired how do you judge that as to pertaining to good and evil? I believe its 1 in 25 people are born sociopaths, whose to blame for this? Is it their fault their brains were wired that way? Is it God's fault? Or nobodies fault? Or is it just the brutal fact of natural order that determines these things?
As mentioned, a whole lot of mental masturbation.
"Everyday create a masterpiece."
Yes Isaiah, I put as Luciferian is one in the same with catholisism, new age, Ra and other dieties. A creation of man totally, and a segway for all things Satan.
ReplyDeleteWhat the religious texts and scholars use as Satan /angels are as diverse as the demoninations themselves and seem to me are really unclear as to the form of this energy or force.
Allegoric episodes are as well very much open to interpretation and it does not and should not interfere in discourse aimed at one or all who wish to weigh in.
What HE said ^
ReplyDeleteThe bottom line for me is that we are both god and the devil. We hold the power for good and evil within our own hearts and souls. We are responsible.
Organized religion to me is as Waldo states and I myself have stated many times, just another way to keep the proles in line.
I don't understand how a critical thinker can buy what any of the major churches are selling. The Bible is not the word of God but the word of men who are purported to be his "transcriptionists".
Sorry, this fallen catholic girl who saw the light while still in school, just can't go there.
Btw, good to see you here Dave :)
What is the point of life when you're poop?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.poopreport.com/Comics/Content/Teed_off_turd/teed_off_turd2.html
Hi Dave. You dropped in. Hope you are well.
ReplyDeleteIn the recent discussions from some alternate media the stories of Alex Jones and his infiltration into the Bohemian Grove seem to be of an aniversary nature though I am not sure. So I have seen several articles discussing Luciferian illuminati segments of the group or committee that seems to be pulling the strings of all economic and military events.
This subject pops up sporadically when timely events such as possible WWIII Bohemian Grove and other timely events get those revelation juices flowing. It also for me coincides with the possible eminent demise of one Chris Hitchens, who facing a cancer battle did an interview with Illuminatist Fabian A. Cooper who discussed the subject of God and atheism in death bed terms.
COTO can still be directed at exposing the criminal minds and actions of athiest and Luciferian segments of the NWO Commitee and administrators. Manly P. Hall, Albert Pike, Helen Blavatsky, Benjamin Creme and Alice Bailey confessed openly to Lucifer, Satan and Freemasonry or illuminati. Since so much expose on the Vatican- Roman Catholic preisthood in the Lucifer Masonic Lodge it becomes an issue for debate as to what this Lucifer is all about.
I hope the discussion can be within bounds and not of a proselytizing or condemning nature.
THanks Flak, it's our site. Democracy in a Republic. We are all mortgaged here in defence of Freedom. Even Dave who has appeared as often as Haleys Comet has shares though they may have found their way into some funky derivative as of late.
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ReplyDeleteEverything is ENERGY is a safe remark. What it drives within each person is unique and that is a most wondrous aspect of this existence for me.
ReplyDeleteAnd if GOD is the fuel for me to work in positive charged environments I am happy. If it is something else that drives another to same environment, I am happy as well. If the ACTIONS of these energies are positive I care not from where the fuel is derived.
I just have not seen much of this + energy coming out of the committee and this Luciferian ideology appears to be one of many contaminant's at the source.
~corexit-like?~ yeah, I think so. Religion. yeah but include the religions of money, power and government for they are relatively newer devotions but have far larger congregations from which to corrupt this (+E)
Quote: "But I am not interested in leading you any further into a discussion in which you do not wish to partake."
ReplyDeleteIt's not about me wishing or not to partake in this discussion, rather on the contrary, I'd like to express my views on the issue you raised, it's just a matter of time and place. It's only about what I tried to express initially - that imho such discussions don't serve the primary goal(s) of COTO. In other words - my concern is that too much of philosphy and discussions on subjects of irrational nature may rather distract people's attention from the core issue(s) of COTO, because such discussions can last endlessly, and, in the worst case, can lead to division.
One of my 'hobbies' is the analysis of social affairs and behavior, and I've studied, to a vast extent, the reasons of "unnecessary" conflicts. Among the most common causes of such conflicts, be it on an individual level, or between groups of differing belief systems, we can find discussions about irrational matter, and the reason for this is simple: because there will never be a valid argument that can prove one or the other position being wrong (or right). As most people do insist on their position, defending it no matter what, conflicts are inevitable, and often insolvable, if you don't put a sort of general 'break" on such discussions. It's a huge difference whether we discuss some questions of irrational nature just because it's interesting, to extend our views, to learn about the other partie's opinion, while expressing our own, having the courtesy not to try and "fight" the other's sandpoint(s), or if any part comes up with statements, which provoke the other to defend his/her position. Since one of the most common defense strategies is to attack the "agressor", the fight escalates, and the conflict is perfect.
A sort of "Smack-Down Man" ...
ReplyDeleteAs M said....One good thing to remember is we do not know.
ReplyDeleteIntelligencia is just a food additive. Non essential for digestion. Nevertheless we vote it the winner over and over...another game we invented.
I prefer my gut even when it hurts...a lot. Makes me feel closer...to what? You tell me. Something. Home?
At the least, I attempt always to be honest with me.
Debate has no winner. I will never convince you. I will arrive when I get there.
One of the most beautiful mysteries is that as I am fixed and measured within my own vehicle, I really "need" others as much as I need anything else.
The most grotesque ugly sincerity is most preferable to the most gorgeous ruse.
The 'we do not know part' is a hard lesson here on the physical plane. The bitchiest of all bitches.
I sense something more.
Call it whatever you like, but no one, but each of us, is keeping score.
Baseball is a simple game. We f it up.
We leave very little to the imagination anymore, mainly because we refuse to be non exceptional.
peace
Thanks, JG, same here! :) ...though I've seen you, you just haven't seen me since a while, and that was due to an undescribable story that life wrote after my move to FL! :)
ReplyDeleteFunky derivative..? I'll contemplate that one... 8-)
ReplyDeleteI've been there all of the time, you just didn't see me... anyway, never mind.
Thanks Puddy, I'm quite well - again! :)
ReplyDeleteIn the context you mention here, surely a lot of religion based aspects are of highest significance, in order to expose the evil, no doubt about it. The mere fact that many highly influential NWO c(r)ooks worship Satan, should make people think twice. Anyhow - it's rather a question of the various faces and facets, the different ways, how people perceive the existence of Satan, than the very hypothetical (theological) question whether he exists at all, or not.
In my father's generation it was said, "two things you don't discuss with friends are; politics and religion".
ReplyDeleteAt least we are now willing to talk about politcs {grin}
er... I hope that is permitted.
You keep saying the word "irrational" as to the nature of "religion". I am not quite certain that I am getting what you are aiming at here. If you mean that as to the rules of logic being inapplicable because for the most part the argument of the organized religions is BASED in "the appeal to authority" [a logical nonstarter] then that would be a question I could seek to respond to for you. However, I see this as an assertion of yours used as a tool for closing boxes, and meant to remain hidden like a switchblade might be when a constable happens by.
Be that as it may, whether a “rational argument” can be made concerning spiritual matters is not the crux of your argument at any rate, but the proposed DIVISIONS that you see as INHERENT in the discussions there of. So let us examine the merits of such an assertion.
First of all, I agree, such dangers exist. But I would bet you a buckaroo pancake that a discussion of the merits and demerits of SOCIALISM would have an equal if not hotter deleterious effect in a divers community such as ours. >>But socialism lies squarely within the realm of “politics”.<<
What to do but quiver in the depths of uncertainty for fear of bruising the feelings of our loved ones?
Perhaps it is simply that I have greater faith in the discernments of the particular community at hand.
Perhaps I feel that it is more understood here, that freedom of expression is one of the wellsprings of liberty.
Perhaps it is this POSITIVE assertion of liberty that I see as more valuable, than framing this grouping as a NEGATIVE battle against the New World Order.
BUT More than anything else I see your fears as a “tempest in a tea pot”...in fact you are turning the tea pot into an Arabian lamp and letting lose the tempest as an angry genie, when you might have walked by and left the lamp undisturbed...many eyes have turned to this page because of OUR discussions with each other here. You might say your argument is a bullet in your own foot now.
Perhaps then, it would be better to simply sooth the genie wait for it to grow bored and return to its lamp.
Many thoughts and opinions have now been aired in these comments.
ReplyDeleteI am pleased to have these thoughts shared and aired here.
Be that as it may. I will admit that my original hope when posting this piece was not to start an argument on 'religion', but to make a point about FEAR.
I see that as our major adversary...{grin}...the literal meaning of the word satan.
Seems to me that "fear," "god", and "religion" have a lot in common.
ReplyDeleteAstute observation Michael.
ReplyDeleteAdversary=Satan...is to my mind a psychological construct.
In fact religion itself is a psychological construct. Hell, in human thinking; EVERYTHING is a psychological construct {grin}
Whether "God" is a psychological construct or that which constructs the psychological is the question. A carousel.
Flakstopper is our man on the beat of the illuminati Rothschilds moneychangers. The comment was a play on the financial manipulation. A funky derivative was meant as another blogging locale you may have been investing. :)
ReplyDeleteOne comment I have made over and over here is training on losing the fear. Willie points out very well this object of their desire. It drives anger, hatred and conflict better than anything else I can see.
ReplyDeleteFear resides in the committee matrix. Economic, Health and this contrived WOT. It's simple to look at the MSM-DC agenda to create and report the fear.
It has grabbed the teaparty administrators attention and they having a feast on the fear. Too bad their solutions are nothing more than flipping back to a blue team regime. The slinky effect, I like to call it. Back and forth the slinky shifts, down the stairs into an abyss.
There were times we were mimes
ReplyDeleteThere were years full of fears
But the stage is new and we must sing on.
BTW, I love the new header Patrick..kewell
ReplyDeleteLUCIFAIRYLAND THE REALM OF PSYCHOSIS
ReplyDeleteThe Luciferian pathos, whether cosmic or the product of fevered terrestrial minds, is a demented death wish 3500 years old.
It's genesis is put in writing by the ancient scribes of Judah. The 'Chosen People' of a demonic demiurge [δημιουργός, dēmiourgos], Yaltabaoth Saklas Samael.
Jesus calls the fraudengod, Satan.
Nope, I was occupied with personal matters, was happy to be able to keep up with reading, had no time and energy left for writing. :)
ReplyDeleteBesides, there is no other blogging locale that I know of, which would be comparable to the COTO site, when it comes to quality of discussion of actual information, competent members, and an unrestricted approach of truth, regarding our (life's) topics. Take it as a compliment, if you like, it is my honest opinion. :)
hi Boomer, yeah I agree, I am on an aussie site that is supposed to be free speech, yeah.. any mention of 9/11, chemtrails ,RFID,,alternate energy, gets you booted into a hole.
ReplyDeleteactually its a nice hole, a select group of awake folks, me inc:-) and a slew of Trolls who keep reading our posts and ridiculing em.
when we also point out. you do NOT have to read any, Nor do you have spend any time rebutting and tin foiling us, they seem most miffed..
yet
they Joined our sub set of the site?
I have a constant pair of Pet Trolls who follow every post..my very own UN Fan club!
must mean i AM doing something right:-)
someone asked me what did I fear.
ReplyDeleteyou know, honestly I dont "fear" anything
death? it will come fast slow whatever, just hope it isnt painful:-)
fire, flood, loss of love,poverty, illness, death of those closest, it hurts like hell but Fear, isnt the right word.
losing my home. annoying and a problem , but fear? it isnt worth that.
war? fear is useless you need to fight or flee.
maybe I have a missing fear gene?
I know even when young the fear of....whatever tactic didnt work on me. if I did wrong I knew I'd get a hiding, but fear again wasn't the emotion.
not wanting to get hit isnt fear, as I see it anyway, its bloody rational to want to avoid pain:-)
every religion works on the fear/reward, carrot and stick plays.
back when people were dimmer? and childlike maybe that worked fine.
it doesnt wash now.
theres more in and out of the world than we know, if its there maybe? one day we will find it, if not then lets hope we did as LM says and do our best and leave good memories.
First, I'd like to correct a misconception:
ReplyDelete"At least we are now willing to talk about politcs {grin}
er… I hope that is permitted."
I'm sorry if my remarks generated an impression that I'd like to "permit" or "prohibit" anything - that was not my intention, and never could be.
Talking about and discussing politics is essential, of course, no reason why I wouldn't "allow" that... ;) but, again, there's basically two different ways to discuss politics - the rational, and the irrational way. The more vague a topic itself, like "socialism", the more important I consider it to stick to some principles of conversation.
Which leads me to address the meaning of the terms rational / irrational, as well as the consequences of such definitions.
As being irrational I consider every argument / statement that can't be contested (approved or falsified) by rational arguments. As being rational I define every argument that is consistent with the laws of logic, and / or can be proven by factual evidence.
For example, the statement "there is / is no devil" must be categorized as irrational, as long as no one can deliver logical or factual evidence for the respective assumption, while the statement: "G.W.Bush is a criminal" does constitute a rationally valid argument, because it can be proven true (or false).
Of course, regarding discussions in general, there are many additional aspects coming into play, like emotional factors, differing knowledge / ideological backgrounds, differing understanding . interpretation of verbal terms, etc., which make it "difficult enough" to find common grounds. If the participants do not agree on some selfimposed restrictions and principles, discussions more often are a waste of time, or at least result in somehting very different, than it was intended.
So, my whole point is, that if we want to be as efficient as possible regarding the achievment of our objectives, we should as well consider all ways to improve the quality of our discussion(s), part of which is the question, how much sense it makes to talk about irrational matter(s) (on the front page of COTO). Of course, the realm of all irrational elements in our lives has a significant weight, and influence on our thinking, our decisions, action and reaction, and so it surely does make sense to exchange thoughts about these factors, the question remaining is only about the right time and place - surely not at all about the freedom of expression. :)
Once more, you mention my "fears" - that's inadequate, as I don't fear anything or anybody... ;) it was just a tiny little small concern of mine, which, I admit, has drawn more than expected attention on the issue, though I consider it valuable, to learn about all the different aspects of opinion in this regard.
Peace!
That's a real nice compliment for us Dave. You and the recent return of W.Whitten have spruced it up even more.
ReplyDeleteI left Florida after many years in 06 and understand you have moved there. Is that a return or first time? I hope you will keep us abreast of the False FossilFuel Flag that Floridians will be coping with soon.
I actually left Florida and dragged my Dad from his beloved Sunshine State because in I expected the housing collapse and it was time to sell high and I had posted the next major staged terrorist event would be there.
Rady still remains in Broward County and I wonder if you are in the Tampa St. Pete area? Pretty hot spot for this event.
http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/what-theyre-hiding-explosive-seeps-from-seafloor-evident-in-side-by-side-comparison-of-enhanced-video
Stay safe and well Dave.
What do you call them? Gog and Magog, Mickey and Goofy or Peep n' Tom?
ReplyDeleteTHESE ARE SOME OF MY LIL PEARLS
ReplyDelete~Your friend Fear will follow you wherever you go, always closing the doors in front of you~
~Listen to your leaders. If you listen very carefully and intently, their lies will actually make you physically ill. ~
~Don't be a MSM consumer - It makes you look weak and makes them rich~
~Follow the examples of those who speak the least~
~Don't let doubters make you a spiritual hypochondriac ~
~The truths in life don't need a lot of salesmanship - this applies to longwinded presentations, repetition and fancy showrooms~
~You create your future by what you think - For Gods sake, think big~
~The Experience may be costly, the Lesson likely hard but the Wisdom is free~
~If someone tells you to change, they ought to go with you~
~When fear talks, hatred listens~
~Be not afraid, but careful. Your enemy wants to pick your friends. ~
~Your government needs you, not the reverse.~
gog and Magog is apt!
ReplyDeleteI started calling one My Pet Troll, and thats when they dicided that I??? was picking on him..
mind you at least half dont know what! a troll is:-)
i kid you not. this man can harrass insult and decry every comment or post and thats ok?
but when I fought back and called him out, that was different..
all I said was put up or shut up:-) you wanna argiue give me some reasons for your views, and..he couldnt cos he has none hes a media-ted non thinker.
weve lost at least 4 really bright and cluey people due to this one asshole.
pearls indeed Puddy:-)
ReplyDeleteDave,
ReplyDeleteThat which is rational or irrational is such a deep epistemic debate. I appreciate your standard definitions, and do agree with them for the most part.
However...
Let me say that the limits of rational debate are stretched considedrably by the new paradigms of wave theory/partical physics. Proving once again that nothing is determined, all is in flux.
I don't want to begin a new debate over whether math and physics are verboden in a political debate, I am rather speaking to your assertions of a finite and predetermined boundries to rational thinking.
As to your feelings of insult to my mention of fears. Dave, I don't wish to be unkind, nor to set you "beneith myself"...or to be "one-up" [as the late Allen Watts used to say]...but if you are human, like I, like all of us here, you do indeed have fears.
You are obviously a well developed and quite refined personality, both passionate and logical, and most importantly, humane. I do not use my frankness as a blade, but rather as a nudge towards further reflection.
I hope you read nothing into my words to you besides the highest respect for your character and intellect.
--Willy
Do the ten years,then open the cake-hole.
ReplyDeleteCake hole...pie hole...and advice from a butt hole?
ReplyDeleteLearning from the mistakes of others is wisdom.
Never so twitchy to come on so bitchy. Yes trauma leaves its scars.
Some soothing ointments are offered. Reject them as you will.
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These are likely part of the construct of those gates where Peter stands.{grin}
ReplyDeleteVery good.
More like emeralds.......
ReplyDeleteThank you for the kind words and wishes!
ReplyDeleteI'm living in Naples, moved here a bit over year ago, for family related reasons. Though our beaches din't get any direct hit of the toxic mix that's spreading throughout the Gulf, there's no doubt in my mind that it's only a matter of time.
Have been closely following this unbelievable crime since day one, and actually I intend to post my view(s) on this sometime soon. Even knowing about the general dimension of lies and deception within the governement and their allied structures, it blows my mind to watch them handling this one - such a primitive cocktail of blatant lies, distortions and cover up efforts, and still most of the folks don't get it...!!
I do hope that this "affair" will become too big to handle for those crooks, and finally may generate a real boomerang effect!
Stay in touch!
Willy,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your kind words, which I take plain and simple, feeling rather honored! :)
It is my intention to always express myself as clearly as possible, to avoid being "interpreted", and this goes hand in hand with generally trying to perceive other people's words for what they are, as well. In case someone uses too much of a mystical terminology, I prefer to ask for clarification, before I'd read something into his words.
I agree, we shouldn't launch a new debate on the limits of rational debate, although it would be highly interesting to discuss this subject. Anyway, it would be too time consuming in writing, we should remember this one, in case we have the privilege to meet personally some day.
And, no, I really didn't feel insulted because you mentioned my possible fears; I'm aware of the fact that, as you put it, a normal human being tends to have fear, rather a lot, fear often even being the all determining factor of their life. However, absolutely honest, I've overcome this element, which was a quite a process, but I had set my mind to eliminate this disturbing factor, and I did it. In short - once you lose the fear of death, getting rid of all other fears is no problem at all. I am concerned about a lot of things, and people, but that's not to be confused with fear.
Sure, I can't guarantee that some day fear won't try to sneak in again, and I don't attempt to predict what my reaction would be, whether I could resist it or not, but as long as this doesn't happen - please consider me fearless. :)
Willy - it's a pleasure to discuss with you! Though I'm not sure whether we should expand this thread indefinitely... ;)
Looking forward to your thoughts and intel Dave.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the personal info. I used to have some friends and cocktails at TIN on 5th. When I was TINCUP Golf addict and drinking. Great place. I hope it remains that way.
Hi Dave,
ReplyDeleteI am answering your last post here because the margins are shrinking otherwise.
It is good, to have found the will to get over the fear of death. That is the big one, the spawn of neurosis.
Everything else is probably best described as "anxieties", and are as temporary as our moods.
Yes, you say it is "quite a prossess", I do know exactly what you mean. {grin} As the modern lingo goes, "been there, done that".
It has been a great conversation, thank you.
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I've read almost all of the (dam good) posts here, and I'm glad to report there are NO Eloi amongst us.
ReplyDeleteSeventy one posts, dam!
Can COTO go Facebook?
I will mention in the context of good and evil, that I put the following comment on ICH recently in response to Pilger's Hiroshima article. By the dates, it caused a bit of a hiatus -
ReplyDelete"
Well, good to see that we are all still here.
We might remind ourselves that the cause of all the trouble comprises just a few individuals, primarily with names that begin with 'R', whose agents have infiltrated all our governments so that our countries act to do their bidding rather than our own.
Is it so unthinkable that they, who are planning the destruction of the vast majority of us, should themselves be taken out by whatever means are necessary, followed as need demands by any others who would try to take their place? Or is it an obligatory action on our part?
They want our investment? We'll give them our money, but in our way, not theirs, and for Justice, not malignant evil.
I repeat my offer. I will put up a hundred dollars to start a fund to protect humanity by eliminating those who otherwise will destroy us.
Is this fair?
"
The thinking is that if we haven't the guts or the physical means or ability to do what's necessary, then we can always use the fiction of finance to buy the services of the professionals who have.
Your views will be interesting, and indicative of what chance there is of the survival of any of us.
Provocative offer Flak.
ReplyDeleteHmm. Two hours, one reply. Three words, two of them misspelled, and a fearless full-stop.
ReplyDeletePrognosis - Not very good, I'm afraid. Perhaps the patients should put their affairs in order.
[wink]--stopper
ReplyDeleteI am sure that interfering with evidence carries some kind of penalty, even if only the very severest disapprobation.
ReplyDeletePuddy, Sir, Sir!
I have a feeling that it will play out just as you have framed, with or without us.
ReplyDeleteIf everyone knew the depths of my involvement with committee affairs they would understand that I am further into the aluminum-ati program and my Faraday Fortress is almost finished.
But what is a most appropriate and righteous endeavor is already in play IMHO. Unfortunately they are not facebooking for donations. I hope you may think this as well Flak.
Dear Flakstopper,
ReplyDeleteI will be frank with you, rather than coy. While I fully understand your rage and frustration and your wish to make a positive effort in changing the world;
It seems that you have no idea of the serious repercussions of your present proposal, jest or no.
Personally I reject the proposition out of hand, and issue a WARNING of it's extreme DANGER.
\\ll//
It's no rage or frustration, just a common-sense appraisal of the situation. But your reply is very telling, and very for from Hibernia.
ReplyDeleteSo the vermin can eat us piecemeal or in one fell swoop, but to resist constitutes DANGER . . . Most remote from Hibernia.
Luck anyway.
Let me spell it out for you Flak, since you don't seem to take a hint.
ReplyDeleteFreedom of speech is one matter, conspiracy to commit a violent felony is entirely another.
To do so in a public place for the whole world to see is utter madness.
Let me point out that even beyond the unique and draconian laws enacted in the homeland, such as the PATRIOT Act, etc. there has been on the books for years, statutes under the RICO Act that deal harshly with provocations such as you have made.
Therefore, I find it to be in the interests of all parties involved to ask you to rescind your proposition, and issue this WARNING, that this is no laughing matter, it is neither 'cute' nor 'clever', but in fact a serious DANGER to consider any such proposal such as you have made.
\\ll//
Well, old chap,
ReplyDeleteYou're trying to swing some heavy lead for a newcomer. You argue for this and that, and now "I find it to be in the interests . . ." to try to lay down the law for my rational opposition to a few who have the world by the balls and intend mayhem. Do you now? I am talking about contributing to the protection of humanity. Are you?
You are welcome to your multitudinous opinion, but so are we.
Thie is Puddy's site, and if he doesn't like what I say, he can take it down and has my permission to do so if he thinks that is necessary. But not for you and your DANGERS.
I would also repeat another plea to further shiver your timbers: Bring them to me and let me with a clear conscience rid the planet of this evil plague.
"Talk of the Devil, and he's presently at your elbow."
ReplyDelete--Piazza Universale, 1666
So be it Flak.
ReplyDeleteFlakstopper,
As far as being a my being newcomer, you have your tubing in a knot.
Say anything you wish here. It is your prerogative. And if you actually have the juice to act on your bravado, be my guest.
It is my own choice to plainly distance myself from these verbal provocations, and I have. I leave it to others to make their own choices in the matter.
No I would not censor you, I asked you to consider for yourself. Savvy?
But I would point out that it only stands to reason that a political site such as this has the interest of the agentuer already.
BTW Flak,
ReplyDeleteI did not "lay down the law"...it is not MY law. I was merely letting you know what the laws are in this country.
As far as "protection for humanity", it is my opinion that the pen is mightier than the sword. That knowledge is power. And that "Gunpowder Plots" are too often the work of provocateurs.
Sorry if this pisses you off. Have a glass of wine, take in the scenery and fucking relax.
\\ll//
Take this as you will, y'all, as far as I see it relating to the last bit of mumbo jumbo on this thread:
ReplyDeleteIt’s not just the catastrophic natural reactions of nature to our unflinching predatory behavior and wars and economic chaos that are going to alter nearly everything. It is the approaching change of consciousness that is going to transform all of our perceptions into new and sometimes frightening states. Those who cannot embrace these deep personal changes are going to be recycled because they have no place in what is coming. Opportunity for personal growth and the elimination of our common darkness is available to everyone but it appears that only a minority is and will be availing itself of possibilities that are benevolent beyond our present ability to apprehend.--Les Visible
The 'laws' of your country are dreamed up and permitted by the scum presently infesting your government and paid for that function by those who manipulate them for advantage, and should be dismantled and broken to pieces by the populations they seek to subdue - as you now aptly demonstrate.
ReplyDeleteYour 'laws' are not mine, and there is little respect anywhere for those who so weakly buckle to tyranny, even be it so surreptitiously inflicted. "You're either with us or with the enemy", from the mouth of that evil cretin should instantly have had him swinging from a lamp-post, as his own father suggested. Because you do know, and you allow it.
To your burrow, Rogue.
The vermin may or may not be digging their own graves, but that is not their intention and they ARE digging yours and ours. We cannot just sit here twiddling our thumbs and hoping that all will turn out well in the end. Our power of decision is part of what forms the future. Decision is the key, and without it things other than we wish and what such as the vermin wish are what eventuate.
So to influence the otherwise inevitable drift to your extinction, you can draft your own warned and obedient reps and dismantle the present status quo, inadvisably take up arms, or use finance to pay others to do so selectively, which incidentally is exactly what the vermin have been doing for two centuries and more to bring about the unacceptable situation of today.
I'm tired of this subject and have work to do.