Saturday, June 20, 2009

This is What We Do

by Scott Creighton

This is the picture, the "money shot" as it's called in the industry... the sole remaining part of the "fake death scene" video posted on Andrew Sullivan's "breathless blog" extravaganza.  This is the shot that I guess they are hoping will fire-up the "progressives" to support another imperial incursion into Iran... or at least another 400 billion dollars for more regime change businesses in the country.  But as is often the case, truth is more horrible than fiction.

[I am going to show one fake pic, and 10 real ones. They are disturbing. Well, the fake one isn't]



This is a screenshot of a horribly fake, straight to YouTube, death scene that was  staged to make us outraged.
from Andrew Sullivan's "Breathless Blog"
from Andrew Sullivan's "Breathless Blog"

And it worked.  Lots of outrage in the MSM and the fake progressive Obamaite blogs... they say "How can a democracy do this?!?" and "Something MUST be done!"...

Really?

Obama just successfully blocked the release of torture photos that according to several sources,  show U.S. contractors or even U.S. soldiers sodomizing a child in front of his mother... as a form of torture.  The Senate has even recently passed a resolution blocking the release of these photos so the public won't ever see them... and you want us to get mad about this staged death scene?

Let me show you something... let me show you what we do...  cus it looks like you forgot.
We did this - that's a real dead person and a gloating US soldier
We did this - that's a real dead person and a gloating US soldier

[more after the break]


we did this too. forced this Iraqi woman to degrade herself
we did this too. forced this Iraqi captive to degrade herself

we did this: that's what a real dead person looks like... beaten to death after being sold for $5,000 dollars to the US military
we did this: that's what a real dead person looks like... beaten to death after being sold for $5,000 dollars to the US military

we did this too in Obama's "Right war"
we did this too in Obama's "Right war"

we did this too. Funny, Iran's evil regime hasn't attacked anyone in, what, a thousand years? We did this a month or so ago
we did this too. Funny, Iran's evil regime hasn't attacked anyone in, what, a thousand years? We did this a month or so ago

we did this to students in Kent State University
we did this to students in Kent State University

we did this in Texas under the secretary of state's husbands reign (who says there are no oligarchs in America)
we did this in Texas under the secretary of state's husbands reign (who says there are no oligarchs in America)

we did this when Kissinger was advising another president, just like he is still doing now...
we did this when Kissinger was advising another president, just like he is still doing now...

we still do this all across the Middle East. This is our democracy being brought to the people of the Middle East
we still do this all across the Middle East. This is how we bring our "democracy" to the people of the world.

This is what we do. This is what we are.

If you want to get mad about a fake death scene in a country that rejected our special brand of free-market casino slash-and-burn capitalism at the voting booth, you have learned nothing over the past 8 years.

The fact that they had to fake a death scene in Iran while our administration was working overtime to hide real photos of children being tortured should tell you a lot.

34 comments:

  1. Yes, Iran should make Americans look more closely at ourselves. Why do we sit passively by? How much horror will we allow to be done in our name?

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  2. apparently if its under the ObamaSkies.... a lot.

    "However, if the Iranian people ask for our help, we should stand ready to give it. That would be a proper use of force, under International Law."

    http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/all-hell-is-breaking-loose-in-tehran/#comments

    "proper use of force under international law".... that straight from a person who was rabidly opposed to to Bush's attempts to lie us into a war with Iran; 1. fake speed boat attacks... 2. fake uranium enrichment stories...

    and now, after the supposed death (even the first person who put this video up has removed it because it is so fake) of ONE YOUNG WOMAN... this same antiwar "progressive" is calling for war against a country that just signed on to the SCO treaty with RUSSIA AND CHINA...

    all over one, staged, video? remember the "incubator story'? attach sentiment to your propaganda, and win the day...

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  3. That is such a dynamic piece Scott. Many of these photos bring tear to my eye.

    The hypocrisy, it is so dam thick.

    As one who dabbles in photography I thought the one photo looked a bit odd. Sullivan huh? What a panty waste he is. He and his ilk continue to foment the anger and the hate which drives the truculent MIC engine, while the feckless American sheople sit passively by. Thank you Laudyms.

    They're far too busy with their inane reality programs and favorite beverages to worry about the demise of their country.

    I'd liked to know what percentage of this dumbed down populous is beginning to peek behind the curtain, and are seeing what is really transcending the faux reality which they live?

    Or do they just continue to hide behind this wretched vail of credulity?

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  5. Getting the truth out ,and more importantly, accepted as such, will be near impossible.
    You have 3 generations of TV and Vidiots to contend with. Kids growing up seeing and playing violent games, see no difference in the game or the real world, emotionally. Its weird because all mention of death and blood and gore needs be removed from our food, yet worse can be seen on TV and Media. and no one bothers.,
    I remember my mother turning the TV off showing anti Vietnam protestors in Aus, and saying long haired lazy hippy louts...
    Wasn't for many years I found out what really went on, and I still find it hard to believe she held that view...Even at school while it was still going, NO Mention at all, ever!
    But, the "correct straight govt guided media" pushed that view, and mum was not a thinker, or a rebel in any way shape or form..
    Which may just be why I AM?
    And I have watched, protested and been horrified at every bullshit lying and inane reason given to go trash people and lands, by the US Govt.
    Ignorance and fear of anyone "other" keeps the mob in line and feeling patriotic. really- that has become a dirty word, it gets associated with USA and it is NOT a good association as It has been abused beyond credibility.
    I give a shit, and will say so and fight if needed, but would be disgusted if I was called a Patriot.

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  6. Thanks for this Scott. What a beautiful woman in that photo. She looks lovely and serene & yes still beautiful after being terrified and violently blown away. Look how evenly the blood flows across her face. Do they really think we're THAT stupid??! Dammit, you think with all the death and destruction they've caused, they'd know what real death looks like and mimic one accordingly.

    COTO knew Obama planned to attack Iran from the get go. He himself, said it wasn't off the table and promised AIPAC he'd do everything, EVERYTHING in his power to keep them safe from Iran.

    We also knew, that if he got to vote on invading Iraq, he would have done so as well. Of course it was all a lie to get the anti war peeps to vote for him. We all knew before the election that BO is quite the war monger.

    Yes, Mr president, let's bring democracy to the Iranians just as we did in Iraq. Let's blow up their people with cluster bombs and white phosphorous and destroy their houses and hospitals and infrastructure. Let's build another huge base there filled with americans, many that will rape & torture the people of that country. That will show them what democracy is all about !

    Meanwhile, here at home, democracy is a word without meaning as we get closer and closer to total tyranny.

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  7. Paul Craig Roberts take :

    http://www.infowars.com/are-the-iranian-protests-another-us-orchestrated-color-revolution/

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  8. Neoconservative Kenneth Timmerman wrote the day before the election that “there’s talk of a ‘green revolution’ in Tehran.” How would Timmerman know that unless it was an orchestrated plan?

    Thanks Jersey Girl for provding the Roberts link.

    It was also this same cretin Kenneth Timmerman, who in 06' penned a book
    titled; "Countdown to Crisis: The Coming Nuclear Showdown with Iran."

    Just take a minute to read this utterly falsified Washington Post review. These bastards, with their mendacity and venom that is intended only to destabilize Iran, part of the bogus "Axis of Evil."

    The game plan is to capture and control all of the crude, and at any cost. Kill and displace a few million innocent men, woman and children along the way, while poisoning their land with DU? Yeah! That's real Democracy! How dam sad is that! So F'n abhorrent !!!

    http://www.amazon.com/Countdown-Crisis-Coming-Nuclear-Showdown/dp/1400053692

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  9. I went for McKinney myself. Lotta good it did. Well, we all vote for ourselves in the end, so I guess I got that much out of it. I lost many friends as well. I check in on them every now and then, and they have actually gotten worse. Everything on their site is either a anti-republican pointless diatribe, or it's just an example of clever group think regurgitation. Not an original thought in the bunch these days. Sad really. I guess that's what slavery is all about.

    Good to have you here, X. (what do we call you anyway?)

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  10. Ok Mark, let's see if we can get this worked out.

    First of all, I think if they were waiting for approval, they wouldn't be listed as DRAFTS...

    I could be wrong about that, but that is what I think.

    Here is the other thing I think... since they are both listed as drafts, you hit SAVE as opposed to PUBLISH. That's just a guess though...

    Let's do this... I'll walk you through it, and lets see what it does.

    1. start by going to the COTO dashboard...

    look on the left for the POSTS

    left click

    2. scroll down til you see your two posts... note they are listed as DRAFTS

    3. they should be BLUE colored... that means it's yours and accessible

    4. place cursor over the title of the post, and 4 things pop up under - Edit, Quick Edit, Delete, View

    click on EDIT

    5. Once you click on EDIT, you go to the EDIT POST page which looks just like the NEW POST page

    6. In the upper right hand side you will see the PUBLISH box...

    The very FIRST thing listed there is STATUS - it should say "DRAFT"....

    That shows that it is a draft.

    click on the word EDIT next to the word DRAFT

    NEW BOX OPENS

    You will see the word DRAFT and a DOWN ARROW... click on the DOWN ARROW

    you will see...

    PENDING REVIEW

    DRAFT

    That will tell you whether or not you are correct in your assumption... DRAFT is different classification than PENDING REVIEW...

    If it is just a simple matter of you needing to PUBLISH it...

    Just leave all that stuff alone, look down a little on the right side over there...

    and hit the big button that says PUBLISH

    Sometimes what happens is when you do a PREVIEW you end up hitting SAVE instead of PUBLISH... I used to do it all the time, so I stopped doing previews...

    now I just don't care if I embarrass myself with my bad grammar and worse spelling. The way I see it, that's the readers problem anyway... they get what they pay for :)

    I hope all this works Mark. Like I said, I think this is a DRAFT issue and not a PENDING APPROVAL one... but I could be wrong...

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  11. Mark;

    I have another WordPress site, but it's just me, so I don't know about "previewing" work or having them submit for preview....

    I can't view your posts so I guess I can't "review" them either.

    sorry. I don't know what to say. I don't know what you could possibly say here that would be more offensive than the guy who just posted an article using a new spin on the old "Islamo-fascism" slur (same guy told me to adjust my "tin foil hat" if you believe that) to drum up support for attacking Iran along with the republicans... but again, it's not my site.

    As far as your request I will certainly look into it for you. I would hope that you would change your mind... my guess is we need as many points of view here as possible...

    Maybe if you agreed to let bygones be bygones as far as the past is concerned with that one person from OEN is concerned, things could be "less restrained" shall we say? Perhaps you two could come to an understanding? Perhaps an email or two would be worth it to come to an understanding? (I of course am speaking to you and the other person/persons involved in the decision making).

    I mean shit, we just had a post that included what some might consider a little borderline as far as certain types of slurs is concerned... another post had 4 guns pointed at the back of a certain president's head... (no it DIDN'T mean THAT!) but it was still a little dicey...

    My point is, if we can survive that and the 3 piece suit Leser clone, what the heck can Mark here write that is worse (well, I guess he could, I don't know him, but...)?

    Perhaps a little freedom on a trial basis as long as he doesn't take shots at other people here? You wouldn't do that would you Mark? My sensibilities are fragile. :) As you can tell from my writing.

    Anyway, that is just one option. I will certainly check out your posts on the other sites and I am sorry about all this. I hope you and the other people involved can work something out...

    Diversity is always a little dangerous - that's what makes it hard. But once you start running from the hard choices, where does it end?

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  12. Excuse me, but, WTF!

    I cut

    You will find a post where I believed I was waiting moderation...and so did willy,
    he got miffed too, but has accepted the fact it was a sheer glitch, and neither he nor I was being censored etc.
    deep breath and calm down.
    wordpress gives me the shivers too. Help-doesn't, not one bit:-)

    NOW!
    second paragraph.
    you cannot work wordpress, and go off in an accusatory paddy, and start waffling on about how "you wouldnt say such things"
    Your issue is with HOW TO POST!
    did you ASK?? an "Editor?"
    NO!
    Willy tried to help you, and then you go off insulting people and saying you get banned all the time elsewhere etc etc,
    then you go off insulting other postings and comments.
    WHO? died and made you!? the bloody editor then???
    "double standards???"
    same fascism?

    please DO work out how to UNJOIN:-)

    and the old man line...update your bloody pic to show the cane/walking frame then.
    Age has NOTHING to do with Poor me-ism , nor plain silliness.

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  13. Mark:

    There is alot wrong with labelling the death of this Iranian woman as, "fake."

    If you have links to discussions where this issue is intelligently debated, I'd like to see them. I have been looking and I have not.

    Everything I've seen this past weekend confirms that this woman was, indeed, murdered and, yes, it is unbelievable. And, yet, it is so.

    I see the crackdown in Iran as part of more of the same phenomenon that resulted in the torture and murder of innocent human beings under US custody.

    Zionism. Christian, Jew or Muslim -- the idea that religious or ethnic purity is the "best" way to achieve anything.

    Whereas we sit on our overworked, malnourished and self-appointed asses, struggling desperately to get 10 people in a large metropolis to effectively protest our crappy elections process, the people of Iran SHOW UP IN FORCE. Peacefully. And they get shot at.

    What's "fake" is anything like a sense of American outrage, of being fed up with a government that no longer represents them or their best interests to the world.

    We type while brave, innocent people die for no good reason.

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  14. This is all really interesting. Iran's elections have questionable results, most probably, rightfully so, and the people march on the streets. Bully for them. Some have been injured, even killed, as the police and the regime's military are out keeping the peace.
    How can we even watch these brave people and comment on what this country is allowing reported after the eight fucking years we just endured under the largest fascist regime any country has faced in centuries.
    In the 2000 elections which placed bush in the whitehouse under the most obviously illegal circumstances NOBODY showed faces, marched or even displayed any real discourse. In 2004, bush was already so established and even had enough of the population believing that he had the best of intentions for the American people (what a fuckin joke) which really just goes to show what sheep we are. Had people actually stood against bush we would have been gunned down by Blackwater guards and local police because "that's who we are".
    If we were near as concerned about our oun precarious situation as we are over what the media is leading us into believing is important we may save our own asses.
    Bush raped this country for eight years and was never shown the outrage which is being rained down on Obama in only 6 months.
    WE need to focus. OUR people are losing jobs at record rates, prices are rising faster than we can earn money and the only solutions are to borrow more money. Obama's act to save those of us with mortgages is only helpful if you haven't paid your mortgage. Damn me for not paying other bills so that I didn't lose my home. My mortgage is current so they won't help me.
    We need a plan to sffect US. WE'RE in trouble, big time. Why is no one else calling for boycotts of all major industries, banks. Stay out of WAl Mart, Red Lobster, General Motors,,, buy from locals, Make a fuckin difference. They're already hurting from their own devices. People are boycotting simply because they HAVE NO MONEY! This is affecing these Elitist pricks more than anything else. If we all joined in it would devestate them. Force lower prices, force lower salaries for CEO's , don't bank! These are the worst of them. Don't apply for credit.
    I know I'm rambling now and I apoogize for jumping into this thread with this but I am burned.
    It's just pissing me off to see more attention being paid to another countries' election than to our own outlandishly stolen elections.. more like Coup de'tats.
    And don't even get me started on our key to the kingdom, the one that will expose everyone from that administration up to the bankers and CEO's who orchestrated it and the elections.9-11
    They are distracting us from what is important,,,, US.
    They're still there, more than ever, they own us, more than ever.
    You think Iran is rough on it's people? Try demonstrating that we want 9-11 investigated, start marching on the banks,, they'll be shooting and clubbing us in the streets. First they'll try to take our guns, then begins the bloodshed.
    Wake up and realize that, in the way of bruutality, Iran, North Korea, China have nothing on the USA.
    Do something for us,, please.
    I guess I'm not in the best of moods today.

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  15. Beautifully put peter! :-)
    Yes there is worse to come where you all are, when Calif, hit the end of its run very soon, a whole pile of states are going to follow like dominoes and no one much seems to be aware?

    take all cash out every time you need to bank .
    And yes I love the refuse to support the big vendors method!
    I have been doing just that as a personal vendetta to refuse to support the rip off, toxic , multi nats for 3+ years and I live better, and feel better about it!
    All I buy is fruit veg and meat, and I use small sellers and markets. I hope to take business from the big guys, by getting a small organic garden producing soon.
    Stock up on grains dried fruits nuts and self care items bandages pills Iodine bicarb, Now.
    Opshop for sturdy shoes and clothes, stash spares of needed "stuff" breadmakers etc crockpots. a straw box cooker is cheap and effective when the power goes off. toilet paper writing paper pens etc will all be scarce sooner than we think possible. bottled gas for cooking and a camp stove.
    back to Iran, usa and UK and aust too should all keep out of it.
    Nothing will ever be resolved if we keep screwing round with their country.
    A national radio show asked this tonight and the bulk of callers all say the same. so its NOT just me/us.
    Besides USA is also about to have "issue ' with NTH Korea very very soon. you will have enough to worry about closer to home.

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  16. All the bankers really want is one fucking disaster or outbreak of discourse to mandate Martial Law. Do you really think they give a good shit if an American city gets nuked? That's their ticket to a perpetual population control. They'd like nothing better than to eliminate 1/2 of our residents.
    No one even begins to understand real amerikan politiks. They aren't the nice, funny guys portrayed in the movies. They're the worst kind of mass murderers.
    This is why I don't get why we're talking about other countries,, we're on the brink of extinction. Maybe it's just too much for people to comprehend. It's never happened here before but if you look back to Kent State and Chicago Dem Convention you'll see just how our sweet littl Natl Guardsmen are trained to react. Today you can throw Blackwater into the mix,, these are ex military guys who like killing so much they chose to do it for a living. What are we up against? Are you prepared? Mentally and physically?
    Keep on about the rest of the world. We'll be alright,, won't we?

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  17. A high-powered rifle round through a lung will cause the lungs to fill with blood then it will come out the nose and mouth. I see no evidence that the video is legit or fake. I would wait to see the funeral and see the body in question buried. Speculation achieves little. The whole Iran thing is suspicious from the git-go.
    Can You share with us why You think the vid is fake ?

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  18. Marks comments were erased? WTF? Guy was upset, but wiping out his comments?

    I hope people here come to understand, that no matter WHAT is said, there should be a standard rule applied to removing ANY comments, and that standard should NEVER waver..

    1. threats of violence 2. sales pitches 3. profound racist tirades

    Other things might be a little painful or embarrassing, but they must remain, and they should remain.

    Removing someones rants is just petty. That's all it is. Especially on my damn thread.

    I was trying to help the guy... and now someone comes along and wipes out his comments?

    WTF?

    If something else was said, after I went to work this morning and the guy banned, well that is one thing... but of course, how the hell would I know, now that the comments are erased.

    In two years, two years, I have removed one comment from my site and banned one guy.

    The comment was removed upon the request of the person who wrote it...

    ... and the guy I banned, is now one of my favorite regulars...

    Let's not start a trend people. Put up a solid set of guidelines for what will and what won't get removed, and stick with it.

    Go back through my site and look at all the crap they call me from day to day...

    I leave that shit up there because I think its funny. I'm not threatened at all by it.

    It's when people start removing comments, that the rest of the members here start wondering "why?".

    I want it known RIGHT NOW... this was my thread BUT I DIDN'T REMOVE ANYONES COMMENT...

    I will repeat that... I didn't remove anyone's comments.... I don't believe in it and I wouldn't do it...

    Anything else removed we don't know about?

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  19. They weren't holding her "lung" area... they were placing their hands over what looked to be about her right clavicle.

    A wound thru the lung doesn't cause the lung to "fill with blood"... lungs are a series of sacks... one or two may fill up... but not all of them....

    But what WILL happen is the lung will bleed air into the body, that will cause pressure to build up around the lung, and thus, COLLAPSE the lung... and she would struggle for air and die...

    If the lung were to "fill with blood" as you say, the blood could find it's way up to the nose and mouth by choking or severe coughing... you see any of that?

    No. What you saw, was a young woman, being LOWERED the rest of the way down into a pre-poured pool of fake blood.

    She is very concious you can tell by watching her move her hands to "catch" herself as she is being lowered by the helpers.

    They prop her head up on a towel or something (keeping her face nice and visable) as the camera swings over to the right of them, and then we can clearly see one of the "helpers" put his hand on the other side of her mouth, and then seconds later, blood comes from her mouth...

    then his hand is doing something over her nose,,, and the "blood" comes from her nose... ONCE>>>>

    ONCE>>>> you see the blood RUSHING down her face that ONE TIME... then the camera pulls up... and guess what? No more RUSHING blood...

    It is OBVIOUSLY staged, I am sorry... I have seen enough choreographed fight scenes in my day... I know it's staged.

    Lastly...

    As the camera pans over her left shoulder, briefly before the guy kneeling blocks the view, you see next to her neck, as if someone tried to put it UNDER her neck and didn't get it far enough...

    a shiney blood colored squarish thing...

    That's called a "blood pack".

    thin plastic... filled with cornsyrup and red dye with some flour as thickener.

    You can tell it's plastic because in the same frame, the color of the blood on here is different... it is also not a "pool" of blood because you can see where the ONE RUSh of the fake blood, ran down into her HAIR... not down next to her neck....

    It's a "blood pack"... just like those used in theaters around the world.. the guy held it in his hand as he helped her down, then when the camera was out of line of site, he put his hand over her nose and eye and squeezed a little.

    It was so fake, that when Sullivan first put it up on his site, and all the progressives were rallying for the Iranians... all of a sudden, commenters on the Youtube site were like "that shit is fake man?!?' WTH? " Sullivan pulled the video from his site... and just put up the final "death mask" screen shot...

    sorry man... I really really really think it is totally fake.... IMHO

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  20. Two points first

    WTF
    Or more like WHO TF decided to erase Tonys comments?

    I am with Wiley. Big time no no.

    Second, this Trauma Nurse says
    Faked.

    Forr al the resons that Wiley stated.
    a GSW to the lung will cause the lung to collapse

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  21. Does anyone remember the Iraqi soldiers stealing baby incubators in Kuwait story?

    The media LIES

    As deliberate policy

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  22. Absolutely Irish.. during Bush I's term...

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  23. I agree Micheal. But the interesting point here is that the PE firms running the spin, decided to go to the "progressive" alternative news websites with the lies first... that bought them a lasting credibility for their story. So now, not only does the media lie, but again, so does our respected alternative media sources... apparently now, like you said, "As deliberate policy".

    I saw yesterday, even Micheal Moore's site was in the mix on this one... (I know, I stopped taking him seriously when he got on his knees and begged Nader not to run in 2004... I know he's a shill too....).

    Moore actually reposted some propaganda on his FRONT PAGE... from the Washington Post... the Washington Post.

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  24. Well, if a Trauma Nurse says it's fake, that says a lot.

    Notice the MSM keeps saying "the alleged shooting" and other such disclaimers in their reporting of the incident.

    Notice they also don't run the clip. They don't run the clip, not because it's soooo graphic... it isn't. The Abu Ghraib photos were MUCH worst and more graphic, but they ran them... same with the JFK shooting... and Sept. 11th for that matter...

    They don't run the video because it is obviously fake... and they don't want other Trauma Nurses to say "hey... wait a minute"....

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  25. In the future, if that is to happen again, I would suggest not removing the full comment - just it's text - and replacing it with "[removed by request of user]" - ty

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  26. I had not seen it or heard about it. Tonight I got Yahoo USA pages and saw the short clip, I reckon you need to see it, light looks wrong, and the melee and film I saw, feels wrong, if the pic you show is supposed to be in the same place..

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  27. Rady, can you remove my defence of our editors too then? it is way outta place without mrX prior comment:-)

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  28. Coalition Of The ObviousJune 23, 2009 at 4:54 AM

    Michael, that kind of reporting is as criminal as the act had it been true.

    COTO knows that the laws of the land and laws of morality don't apply to these fungi.

    Reality TV shows were designed as an experiment to see just how many idiots and sheep would get sucked in. Unfortunately too many!

    Puddy

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  29. I can't tell. The blood looks sort of thick, she seems pretty calm but that could be shock.Her pants were dry, usually one would evacuate by that point. But really, what's the point? Do you believe that the same situation here wouldn't beget even more violence, depending on location? Shit, Chicago cops would just open fire, same as LA or Boston and New York.
    We're in a country where the president golfed as people drowned and authorities shot dogs off the rooftops for sport. Just where the fuck do you guys believe you are? America?
    America is gone, Amerika has finally taken its' place.
    This country is just getting it's ducks in a row around the world before it sets it's sights on us.
    As Puddy say's, life now is just a test. We're failing.
    I've said for a long time that I'm almost embarrassed to be called an American and that's a godamn shame. But when you look aroud you and watch people react with such absolute stupidity. Everyone should know by now that we have never, NEVER, had a gas shortage in this country. Stations are allocated the same amt of gasoline each month as they had the year before plus 10%. But even now, announce that there's a shortage and every asshole in the country will go fill up ALL of their cars and hummers. The system isn't set up to accomodate full tanks in every vehicle so,, gas shortage. Just stupidity.
    As Puddy said, reality shows, eat live sea worms, walk over fire, stick spikes through your arms, eat fuckin shit,, sure,, I'm an American,, I'll do anything to be on tv!
    Let's see how other countries react to voter fraud,, Americans sure didn't do anything when it happened here, they just bent over and spread there cheeks. We should have dragged them out of their offices and.......well,.......you figure it out. What did we get for doing nothing to the stupid guy? A smart, charismatic guy. What now?
    We should have FORCED a 9-11 investigation and ended the administration by 2003 but it was a test,, we did nothing.
    Now things are getting a bit complicated. Who's who? Who do we trust? Better still, who do we follow? As we stand we have no leader. We all know the difference between a good idea and a bad idea but we don't really know where things are coming from.
    We have no real organization, everything we say is out there for the world so be careful just what you say.
    We need thoughts, ideas. Things to do, things not to do.
    It's good to know what's going on around the world, actually, it's imperative but let's not get sucked in to the incidentals. The people are protesting, when we protested in the 60s, we were shot, we were gassed and beat with clubs,, and we're civilized! Of course there will be bloodshed, don't dwell on it,, we'll have our own soon enough. this isn't a game. I'm not hoping for a career in journalism someday, I'm hoping to survive and keep my family safe.
    Prices are going up, quickly. My disability pay isn't. How much longer before I can't juggle anymore? I know others in the same boat or worse. These are things to address.
    This, what's happening, is THEM. This is what they do.
    Our lives, our country, our children, this is what we need to discuss. Watch the world, learn the lessons their teaching us. Recognize the propaganda, that come from the USA, whatever they say is a lie. Commercial media, NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, CNBC, all corporate spokespeople. Listen to them, when you can take the bullshit (you should be aware of what the sheep are hearing, they may be an enemy someday)Know what is shit and what is real. Understand their tactics, why they say what they say, do what they do, what's their goal, what reaction are they looking for? There's a lot going on off the net that we should be aware of.
    Most of all, find a leader.
    Too bad we didn't elect one.

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  30. "If you have links to discussions where this issue is intelligently debated, I’d like to see them. I have been looking and I have not."

    Oh, wait... you mean aside from this thread, where a Trauma Nurse just said it was fake, and a guy with training in stage combat and the use of "bloodpacks" said it was fake?

    You mean aside from that intelligent debate"?

    Ora are you just one of those types who only hears what they want to hear?

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  31. I had a response e-mail to this comment and I believe that the responder did exactly what he accused me of doing,,I don't care much for that sort of thing as it leads to pissing contests and hard feelings, so, if you read the first paragraph on my remark and show me where I disaggreed that the picture was faked I would really appreciate it. If you read what I actually said and not what you wanted it to say you would have first read "I can't tell". If you bothered to read the rest you'd have found it was more about other matters.
    Why'd you wanna piss in my cornflakes anyway? Did I say something to jerk you off or you just feelin froggy?

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  32. I'm sorry... maybe I miss understood something here... who are you talking to? Me? I don't think I responded to your comment, but it's hard to keep up with this format... I can't tell what these brackets mean...

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  33. "miss understood"..... :) .... you like that?

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  34. willy, e-mail me please pcmirisola@bellsouth.net

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