You are going to watch 2 videos. One is real, the other is fake.
One was forgotten, never played on the MSM. One is running daily every channel, every web page.
One is about a struggle for the rights of a people, oppressed... the other is about changing a regime that just won an election.
In the one video, the protester was buried the next day and his family mourned... in the other, the funeral was "secret" and the family "not allowed" too mourn.
You are about to see two videos - both deal with death.
One is that of a man who gave his life for a cause... the other is about the death of truth and democracy in Iran.
Bassem Abu Rameh, a young Palestinian non-violent protester, shot and killed near Bil'in by an Israeli IDF solder... simply for protesting. Watch the video, watch his last moments on earth. Listen to the sound of a chest wound and how the body works to try and stay alive. Watch the people around him try to help.
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His name is Bassim, and he is dead.
Killed in a protest murder never reported by CNN... his face is NOT the face of a new revolution. He died, like Rachel Corrie died, alone, in pain, with no MSM signing his praises.
This is the famous video of Neda.
Watch her helped to the ground on a surprising pool of blood that never gets any bigger. Watch the man who helped her down put his hand next to her mouth - then her mouth bleeds. He then puts his hand over her nose - and then her nose bleeds. BUT neither of the CONTINUE to bleed- just that one time, while the man's hand is near...
It's hard to see when her nose bleeds because Blue Jeans Man just HAPPENS to jump in the way at that very moment. Blue jeans man is very interesting, because at the end of the video, he does something else very very interesting... go ahead and feel free to stop the video and watch..... while he is kneeling next to her head, he keeps his hands back for a second or two (so the camera can see her face) then all of a sudden, he lunges toward her face and takes his left hand and forms a flat palm as if to hide what his right hand is doing... but you can still see what his hand is doing... he is reaching into her mouth with his right hand. You can actually see his index finger and thumb going into her mouth. what is this supposed "stranger" doing, blocking her face with his left hand and reaching into her mouth with his right hand?
He is removing the blood pack that she bit on to produce the "blood" that came from her mouth. It's a plastic square and he is removing it so she doesn't choke on it.
What don't you hear as she is "dying"?
Do you hear the same things you heard in the video above? You can actually hear the chest wound in the video above, sucking as air is drawn in and expelled.
Did you see dramatic blood pouring from the man's mouth and nose in the video above? From the look of where they are holding their hands over the "wound" Neda was shot in the clavicle... the man above was shot in the chest. See a difference?
very interesting and very consistent with a cointelpro psyop
ReplyDeleteI hope there is debate and analysis. On first blush, your critique makes sense to me.
Look, Scott, this is just a dumb argument.
ReplyDeleteWhere the bullet enters makes alot of difference. Huge.
With Neda, the bullet entered her upper torso, tearing her aorta and severing her spinal cord. She lost motor control of her whole body, save her eyes, very rapidly. The blood pouring into her lungs caused her to drown...having lost control of her diaphragm, she could not cough up the blood, it just poured out of her.
I have surgeon friend look at the video. It is indeed real. It is no fake. It is every bit as surreal as watching Daniel Pearl get his head cut off like he were a kid goat or sheep. Death is like that. Sometimes it looks too real, sometimes it looks unreal and sometimes it is just sublime and beyond belief.
If you want to propose that the sniper who shot Neda was actually an Israeli agent, or even a CIA agent, posing as a Basiji, I will listen to your evidence.
These rants about how "fake" Neda's death was need to stop. Or you need to produce some actual evidence to support your claim over the testimony of an experienced surgeon who has worked with alot of gunshot wounds to the chest.
"I have surgeon friend look at the video. It is indeed real."
ReplyDeleteGive me his name and lets him go on the record. Till then you are just talking out of your ass....
We have a Trauma Nurse here who says it's fake. He goes on record...
"With Neda, the bullet entered her upper torso, tearing her aorta and severing her spinal cord."
Wow... that's a lot of intel. Severed her spinal column huh? How come she puts her hand out to catch herself as they lower her to the ground?
Why is her arm moving around AFTER the blood pours from her lungs that can't cough because she has lost control of her diaphragm?
Got an excuse for that one too?
How about the guy reaching into her mouth with his thumb and forefinger? What do you suppose that was?
How do you explain the fact that the blood ran only once on her face, then stopped? Wouldn't the blood keep coming out during the rest of the video?
How about the fact that she made no sounds whatsoever? Not her chest wounds, not gasping for air. Nothing. Not even when some "stranger" stuck his fingers in his mouth?
"If you want to propose that the sniper who shot Neda was actually an Israeli agent, or even a CIA agent, posing as a Basiji, I will listen to your evidence."
That is what they call "limited hangout". You see, you decide what the perimeters of the discussion are based on what outcome you want...
It's also funny you should mention Daniel Pearl after I put up a CLEARLY real video of a Palestinian protester being shot and killed by an IDF soldier.
But since you mentioned it... did he make any noise when he died? Was he gasping? Gurgling? In fact... HE WAS..... So was Bassim.
I have produced solid evidence from the scene... the video... the very same evidence that people are trying to use as justification for a regime change in Iran... and we know what that means these days.
I have given detailed evaluations of the video at hand and even compared them to similar senarios and gunshot wounds.
There is a Trauma Nurse here who has gone on record saying the Neda video is fake.
You sir, once again, are the only one apparently who HASN'T produced any evidence at all...
This surgeon you mention, right now is nothing more than you telling us what he thinks, second-hand... that's not evidence, that's rumor or hearsay at best... but not "evidence".
So, I tell you what. You go back and get some evidence. Do a little research that isn't from Fox News or MSNBC... dig a little and see what you come up with.
Kinda like I found out that Neda's husband is a photo/video journalist....
wonder where he was that day, huh? wonder who exactly filmed our little fake death scene...
"scott, how can we have an argument about the authenticity of digital media?"
ReplyDeleteIt's how the Truth movement started. People were shown a video, told it was one thing, and some rather observant individuals said "uh, that doesn't LOOK like what you are describing".
And the "argument" began. from a question...
And of course you can debate the authenticity of video evidence. They do it in court all the time.
I've made some pretty logical points so far, and even submitting a similar event to contrast this one.
can you explain why their was no funeral?
why there was no mourning flags outside her parents home?
why her parents have run off rather than doing what is customary, receiving family and friends for the next week or so in honor of their lost daughter?
The MSM explains it by saying "the evil regime" stopped them and they cite unnamed sources as their "evidence" of this. Is that good enough for you?
Richard said "I hope there is debate and analysis." and that is what I am doing. I am challenging an intricate piece of their effort to foster another regime change... one that is rather flimsy when you factor all these things in combined with the video itself.
For the record; clearly many people out there had "opinions" about what happened on 9/11 before the "experts" came out and said that something was wrong with the story. You may or may not have been one of them. The point is, you can have an opinion and a discussion before the "experts" tell you what you already know.
For the record; in high school I was involved for 4 years with an award winning theater program - I went to college and studied acting and directing - I worked for several years after college as a professional stage actor doing various local plays in small LORT C types houses - even directed a play at that time - since then I have worked on several feature films and television projects as a stage technician.
SO - for the record - when it comes to stage combat I may not be an "expert" but I am certainly experienced enough to have what some might call an "informed opinion" - and my informed opinion is that what you are watching is staged.
and for the record, this is how you have a discussion about visual media... not an argument. I took the tone I took with Volaar because of what he said and the obvious tone of his comment.
What I have produced IS evidence - some circumstantial and some based on the video.
Like molten metal dripping out of the side of the towers, or "squibs" going off in sequence, or the movement of the radio tower seconds before the collapse, or the crimp in Building 7.... all "evidence" based on a critical evaluation of the recorded event.
That is how you have a discussion about the digital media. And in my opinion, with the stakes possibly just as high right now, they are BOTH discussions that MUST be had... now... not a year from now when it doesn't matter.
i've got no dog in this fight...but
ReplyDeletein terms of the spinal cord - or column as you say - being severed and her being able to move her arms. they are not mutually exclusive. it would all depend on where in the spinal cord the injury was. that's why you see paraplegics and quadriplegics. if the bullet severed the cord at her neck you would expect her not to move her arms, but if it were around the chest or below she would still have use of her arms, it would be her waist down that would be paralyzed. also depending on the severity of the lesion on the spinal cord the results may not be immediate.
regarding the thumb/finger in her mouth that is a proper first aid thing to do is to make sure the airway is not blocked with something like vomit. you put your fingers carefully in their mouths to clear away any foreign objects.
Wiley
ReplyDeleteI had someone say that Neda was "shot" in the heart, not the lung.
Which explains....... nothing.
If she was indeed shot in the aorta and then the spine, then how does the blood get from the chest cavity (an enclosed space) into the trachea (another enclose space) and then out thru the mouth and nose?
Then, if she was shot in the spine at say around the cervical spine (C1-C8) at C1-2, which control the diaphragm muscles, then she would be unable to cough out the blood pouring out of her mouth (and in her lungs) However, then she would be unable to move her arms. If she is able to move her arms (which are controlled in C7 to T2, which are below the C1-2) then by definition, her diaphragm muscles are working and would automatically start contracting, coughing up blood.
This explains BTW why paraplegics who have spinal trauma below C7 can move their arms (we call it gross motor coordination) but are still able to breath. If you get spinal chord trauma, even just compression above C3-4 you are in serious trouble.
As for the mouth sweep with jeans man, well yes indeed you would do a mouth sweep, putting your fingers in a persons mouth.
If they were chocking. This is basic CPR
Then you and the patient would naturally turn the head and the body to expel the foreign body that was blocking the airway.
You can tell your surgeon friend that it was someone who is just a pretty little nurse that came up with that. Also, ask him if he has ever had a code Pink called on him? A Code Pink is when a surgeon is especially abusive to the Nurses (some can be real prima-donnas, let me tell you) and the nurses and together and make his life a living hell. Doctors have their asses saved (and our patients) all the time and they know it.
In all fairness though
Jeans man putting his hand on her clavicle, well that could be natural. After all that could be just supporting her and himself.
On top of which, if the blood was a blood pack then I wonder how it became expelled from her nose.
It is possible that she was indeed shot (unlikely in my honest opinion but) and she may have died instantaneously. Perhaps the bullet severed the aorta, then her esophagus and then her spine.
Perhaps she did not really move her arms but they just fell back.
However, we have the political reality of Iran, history of lies to pump up wars (baby incubators in Kuwait, WMD's in Iraq are just the most recent) along with the stuff that does not fit, as Wiley points out. No funeral etc etc etc.
Perhaps we could have an autopsy.
Yeah right.
I smell utter and total bullshit but would be only to happy to be proven wrong.
Wiley
ReplyDeleteBTW please tell me the you tube link to the palestinian killing. I will use it and the Neda "shooting" for my next showing of
Lies and Omissions of Corporate Media
A news show which gives news AND exposes corporate media.
He also said that he isn't a doctor anymore, he is a 'publisher"... that he WAS a GP in Iran... The man who released the video in the first place is also from outside Iran, as coincidence would have it... then he says there was no autopsy (in a homicide?) and that no one really knows.
ReplyDeleteThat's his "statement". Now lets look at the obvious (COTO, right?).
If this was faked, like I suggest, then the "publisher" is part of the fake. He would have to have been because he was one of the PLAYERS in the script. So if the rest of my points are valid... and some seem to be holding up, and this is fake... of course this guy is going to say something like this. And you can't take anything the "publisher" says seriously.
"Publisher" is kind of vague, don't you think? I wonder who he publishes for.
Rady
ReplyDeleteThen that would be a "magic" bullet. If you catch my drift.
Look, I am not saying that she was not shot, I am saying I have very serious doubts. Consider the source of the information, who this story benefits (CIA, US Gubment, Israel, Illuminatti) and again, the pretty regular history of lies and stages events.
It stinks.
just like Sept 11.
The reason that Amadinajad won is because
Drum roll please........
He supported the rural poor and took a stand against Israel and the US.
The other guy wants to privatize everything (including that dirty old black stuff that causes so much problems and wars and such)
I honestly can not tell if it was faked or not. Irish, your explanation sounds good to me. But I do know, because the msm is hyping this, that the chances that it IS faked are mighty good.
ReplyDeleteIn other words, I too smell a rat. Perhaps she was really shot by an agent. Staged but real. Why not? We all know what happened to Pat Tillman eh?
This shooting so conveniently gave the U.S. a very pretty face, splattered with blood, to plaster all over the teevee and boost their cause. It sure helped to get the sheeple really outraged and all pissed off at how barbaric that Iranian govt is.. .......
When I first started covering this Saturday night after the election, I could see where this whole thing was going. I was sure that another Venezuela 2002 was going to occur. And I wrote about the gathering gloom up until this video came out.
ReplyDeleteI was even one of the first sites to find Mr. Sullivan's version of it... long before the MSM picked it up. And I wrote about how Sullivan took it off his site and just put up that silly picture, because so many YouTubers were calling it "fake" he didn't want to link to the Youtube version anymore.
Well this time it looks like they got their Venezuela 2002 demonstration shootings without all the mess. I am sure the arrogant PR guys running this thing figured they could stage something that would fool everyone, or at least be passable enough that the suckered would shout down the cynics and equate them to the "Truthers".
Another Wag the Dog campaign gone awry.
Rady
ReplyDeletethat is precisely what I was thinking.
If the shooting is real or not is irrelevant in the final analysis (I still think it is fake BTW)
It is a red herring. We should be looking at the broader picture.
That the "Green" Revolution is probably a CIA engineered attempted coup.
It's worse than that Michael... the guy actually added that the bullet did not pass all the way thru her and he thinks it shattered inside her hitting all kinds of stuff.
ReplyDeleteBUT... she was still standing there long enough after the shot for him to ask his friend something before he even noticed her.
Go back to that video of the man actually getting shot. The impact has a force knocked him down (even bigger than she was) and that bullet looks to have gone all the way thru him. Then his body reacted, he jumped up and tried to run till his body gave out a few steps away.
Also he says she didn't die right off the bat... took about a minute according to him. Now we are back to "gasping for breath" or even convulsions... in the video of the Palestinian guy's shooting, you can HEAR his sucking chest wound... you can HEAR him gasping for breath... in the Neda video... nothing, nada, zilch.
So, the "sniper round" not only didn't go thru her, but it also didn't knock her down... no sounds of struggle... someone pinching her nose when the "blood" appeared... (you gotta love that little trick)...
Correction Michael... almost all surgeons are prima donnas. I've never encountered an occupational mindset of more egotistical sobs than surgeons. Whew! After all, playing god is an honorable profession involving tough decisions and we're always expected to get down on all fours when they make their appearance :) I told my pcp once, "I never met a surgeon in the last year that I liked." To wit he replied, "I haven't either."
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