[/caption]The theologization of our thinking in US society is fast becoming intolerable. Catherine Austin Fitts’ latest Youtube missive ends with a profound, “if we can’t face it, God can’t fix it.” More here....
Saturday, August 1, 2009
Barbershop Diaries, Volume I, Issue 12: In Fitts About God
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The theologization of our thinking in US society is fast becoming intolerable. Catherine Austin Fitts’ latest Youtube missive ends with a profound, “if we can’t face it, God can’t fix it.” More here....
[/caption]The theologization of our thinking in US society is fast becoming intolerable. Catherine Austin Fitts’ latest Youtube missive ends with a profound, “if we can’t face it, God can’t fix it.” More here....
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So if I believe 911 was an inside job and the oligarchy is out to kill us I cant be a christian ?
ReplyDeleteThere are Kool-aid drinkers and there are Christian Scientists. Not all that profess a belief are flag-waving zombies. I hate to think You are painting us all with the standard fundamentalist-zionist brush.
There is a great majority of so-called christians that think the antichrist is a Muslim and the US is God´s fav country,right or wrong. Please dont lump Me in with the lumps.
Here is the lumpiest of lumpy lumps.
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Its worms like that who make the rest of us look bad. And yes there is a great mis-directed majority,moral maybe.
Korn,
ReplyDeleteI didn't get that read at all. I took it more as a generalization. You have to admit that the extremists of any group are what tend to define it. I didn't take it so personally, I don't believe you shouldn't either, he wsn't talking about us.
Right.
ReplyDeleteLike I said, he wasn't talking about us.
This is what I meant when I said that most people would only understand "the religion language" when reading.
Take yourself out of the leage of the zealots that volaar's talking about, you're not in that league. Once you take the "religion" out of it, it makes sense.
If we don't start seeing it this way we are doomed,,, literally
Though I can't dispute Volaars assertions, he must understand the paradigm working. Fabians representing the liberal, athiest, agonostic sect and the Pilgrim, neo-con, christian immoral majority.
ReplyDeleteBoth well funded and connected, continue to stir this cauldron. It is as transparent as Hagee and Hitchens.
I'll also remind you that in the last century, athiests have far exceeded the religious dogmatists in the death toll worldwide.
We don't get to excuse ourselves by splitting hairs. Crazy is as crazy does.
ReplyDeleteOnce we get on the slippery slope with notions as ridiculous as dead people rising from their graves to proclaim that their God can do any damn thing He wants, anytime He wants to, we end up in a crazy contest with zealots like Hagee.
The fact of the matter is that God is constrained by sanity and the absolute need to protect Perfect Totality from that which is imperfect. Otherwise, our fervent desire to wish ourselves out of existence becomes possible and, with that, the end of Eternity. Life could never commit ultimate suicide -- that would not be something that a Life form that has always been and will forever be could ever do.
So it is NOT possible for God's only begotten Son to be the Totality of the Godhead. In fact, this impossibility is what keeps us all safe from ourselves in an absolute sense.
In a temporal sense, we're still in a world of hurt and forever trying to ace the Stupid Test. Creation clearly has Life laid out such that no species capable of utter destruction will outlast its flirtation with advanced technology...evidence our place in the middle of a cold, dark nowhere. A speck of the tiniest dust amidst a swirling cauldron of Creation and Annihilation. It only grows clearer to me that our survival is about our conjoint decision, and then our active choice, to survive and to thrive.
We cannot continue to survive by allowing paid monkeys to rill holes in the heads of our children and drop the seed of "magical thinking" into their brains. It might make them great consumers of worthless crap, but it renders them utterly powerless to save their own asses from the suicidal impulsiveness of a lizard-brained human ego run amok.
Rejoice and be glad that there could never be a physical resurrection of the godhead into our imperfect, temporal reality. The resurrection is, was, and could have only been, spiritual and the stuff of which the Mind is made. Any other belief is a lie, is insane and can only lead to a world driven by insanity.
Btw, the theist versus atheist death toll throughout known history clearly shows that atheists are responsible for no more 100 million deaths.
The theists, OTOH, are responsible, conservatively, for 2.2 billion, or 20 times the number caused by atheists.
It's taken me YEARS to get over my Catholic upbringing so as to get my head around simple things like facts. And the fact is organized religions have been poisoning our minds for centuries. A poisoned mind can be made to believe in anything and can be driven to commit any atrocity imaginable. A poisoned mind has no integrity and cannot be entrusted with the keys of governance or leadership.
“if we can’t face it, God can’t fix it.”
ReplyDeleteWell, if you suppose that 'god' IS the Universe of which we are an integral part, or conversely that Universe is 'God', if we don't recognise and face a problem and DO something about it, then the remedy doesn't get DONE, does it?
- Sense, whether the Fitts person knew and meant it or not.
Simply put, if we are too stupid and dumbed down to do anything about the mess The Few are deliberately making of the world in order to eliminate the majority of us, then Universe or God is not going to save us except by accident, on which we can't rely.
Folks, arise!
I agree with what flak said. I didn't take the phrase "if we can't face it God can't fix it" as a fundamentalist Christian type phrase.
ReplyDeleteV, I too am a former "indoctrinated" Catholic and left that religion when I left school..actually long before that. I think of "God" as the universe and I'm not sure what form this God actually takes. I'm spiritual, not religious. But I still say things like, "God help us" and "even God can't save us now". It's a figure of speech.
I took what she said in that respect. I don't have a clue as to how "religious" she is but it seems to me she was saying basically, if you dumbass amerikans don't wake up, even God can't save you.
"God" is the wrong word and the wrong concept because it is a deliberate attempt to strengthen an obviously weakened moral high ground. If the moral high ground is weakened, we need to clear the decks and uncover what is going on.
ReplyDeleteAs has been demonstrated in other venues, it is precisely our reliance on religion as the dispenser of moral authority which has lead us into the box canyon that we are in at present.
We need to look at religion and religification not as the strengtheners of our individual and social moral strength, but as the net weakeners of both our individual moral terpetitude and the clarity of our individual thoughts.
I've conducted this thought experiment with myself on numerous occasions. The fact is, I have been programmed to respond to pleas for moral behavior and religious tolerance by the religion of my youth. And for the longest time I thought that if I had no belief in religion or God, that I would automatically revert to immoral, or amoral, behavior.
Thanks to people like Dick Cheney, I can see that my programming was in error. People do naturally care about each other and do naturally want to contribute to the betterment of all. People like Dick Cheney and George W. Bush have been systematically brainwashed to believe that certain classes of people are beyond all hope and any consideration.
We DON'T need religion subliminally telling us all that if we toss it aside, that we'll suddenly become moral black holes that will suck up all manner of debauchery into our lives.
How else would you expect the anti- to spoil the pie?
ReplyDeleteWhy do the mass murderers shout GOD told me to do it? Some detective you are.
Agreed. I told you that mentioning "god" would confound things. ven though people recognize that they've been programmed they'll still have a defensive reaction where "god" is concerned. No matter how much people realize the truth, "god" is still religion and vice versa. Mind control is a powerful mechanism.
ReplyDeleteAre you joking, or are you thinking clearly?
ReplyDeleteThere can be no ANTI God. As soon as one introduces an anti-god, you've
made god unlike what He/She/It would HAVE TO be. You'd be living like an atheist without even realizing it -- the only real way to lose track of your own identity. That's where all the zealots are now...we can sense their hypocrisy and their self defeating behavior...all they can sense is a blind addiction to duty at any cost. A machine programmed to self destruct.
There has to be some form of ultimate truth or there can be no eternity. Without eternity there can be no NOW to exist within it. Without eternity there is no possibility Life, only, ultimately, death. Yet dead things can NEVER be alive.
The "good news" was and will always be that once you're alive to know who you are, you can never die.
Ultimate truth doesn't have to be knowable or conceptualizable, but it MUST, at a minimum, contain all that is relevant about this moment. And the next one. And the one after that. Maybe even the one two moments before.
Mr. V said(wrote);
ReplyDelete"There has to be some form of ultimate truth or there can be no eternity. Without eternity there can be no NOW to exist within it. Without eternity there is no possibility Life, only, ultimately, death. Yet dead things can NEVER be alive."
Me, I can't understand all the rucous about God. Once you've seen God, it's all over. I remember the very moment I realised what God is. It changed my life. Am I religious? You bet. Do I go to church? My church? There, where the bears do the dirty. That's where it's the most obvious. God is everywhere. God has very little to do with religion. It's a word. A simple word to describe what I saw (felt, heard and tasted). It's all about awareness. I know "god" exists and I'm part of it. It's so fucking simple, most don't get it, and never will. No religion and no church required. Just close your eyes and listen.
The "not thinking clearly" remark is best pointed towards those who think man can rule himself. That is my definition of a hopiate addict. Some keep preaching that and one in particular comes to mind.
ReplyDeleteI refered to the anti-"". Call it Christ, Truth, Universe, it does not matter. Let's agree to TRUTH and ANTI-TRUTH.
"The theists, OTOH, are responsible, conservatively, for 2.2 billion, or 20 times the number caused by atheists."
Of course, but the pendulum has swung. Let's talk again in another 1000 years and see what the ratio is like then. Get my drift?
When your dependence on human enlightenment wind ups up failing you will have to look elswhere for the scapegoat for true theists will all be gone.
btw, your numbers on death are like mine minus the aborted death toll. Unfortunately, a heavy athiest swing there. Revise the numbers a bit.
Oh shit. I just now realised who the man in that picture is/was. Damn. V, did I overlook something?
ReplyDeletepardon
ReplyDeleteWe're runnin' out of room, Patrick.
ReplyDeleteSend me an email and we can hash this
stuff out there.
Atheists are peace loving people. The
only nutjobs are among the
religious.
The abortion issue can't be painted
in either stripe, and you can't
legitimately argue that we're in
midst of a seminal moment...
that's a fallacy.
No, I think you pretty much have it. Other than neglecting to mention that God is a concept -- because It is capable of being assigned a label.
ReplyDelete"Seeing" God is perceiving...God would have to be beyond perception since perception requires "the thing" and some contrasting agent clearly defined as "not-the-thing." What is all-encompassing can have no opposite. God, therefore, would have to be imperceptible by anyone's definition.
Pretty much throws any perceptually bound science out the winder, too, in terms of knowing ultimate truth.
The Japanese believe the same as you, Tony. Outdoors are very spiritual to them. Me, too.
Perception, however, can only get a person so far. Even deep meditation and the full identification with the Observer and the process of observation...the Observed is still beyond and still deeper than the silence.
The language of god as I understand god is silence. Anything more than that would be an attempt at making less.
The sum total of all my life experiences, the lessons, the people, the thoughts, the feelings -- these are all I can consciously know of god as I understand god. There is no way, except perhaps in hell, that god could be the same or less than all of that put together.
But there is something about moving in that general direction that is extraordinarily, if subtly, attractive to me. Like a moth to a light, I suppose.
The atheist and the agnostic speak of their own knowledge of truth and, as a result, are far more honest about the human condition than anyone steeped in religious dogma and dogmatic assertions about which no one can be absolutely certain.
What I know about this experience is that everything seems to matter; but nothing seems to matter very much -- all the time.
No need to V. You finally said what you think there. I understand. That's all we need to say on it , I think.
ReplyDeleteK. Just know that I didn't
ReplyDeleteaccuse you of not thinking
clearly. I asked, "or are
you thinking clearly?"
It's alot more open-ended
than a simple, "hey,
fool..." You could still
be right!