Whew; This is the time. It's going to get nastier before it starts to turn. The crooks will put up a fierce resistance but their hand has played out. As in the police brutality against the dissenters, That's what's bringing people awake. The whole world has been waiting for this, the American people to come to and start connecting the dots.
Meanwhile...Clinton and Obama are frantically trying to co-opt the OWS movement as it escalates. Let's hope the peeps can see through their bullshit. If Clint-o-bama get their hands around it, it's as good as dead.
I think people are starting to see these creeps as just being the carneys. Old PT's still sitting back counting the spoils. As with the Tea Party, another will rise should that be the case. As the saying goes "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind". We're the superweed that "Roundup Ready" has become ineffective to contain
Guys I've been watching this for two weeks now. I can tell you it is NOT coopted.. That's all media BULLSHIT.. THEY are the ones trying to coopt it.. Majority of these people hate BOTH parties just as celente said..
BTW, Tens of thousands are occupying Times Square right now and not a peep on MSM.... Now u tell me, if it was co-opted wouldn't they be advertising it all over corporate media?
It's gonna get worse. Do I believe his BS? Of course not. Just saying that I'm sure Obama is gonna try and make a campaign issue out of it even though he could be a poster boy for the oligarchs. It's what they do.
Case in point: Look at all the dunder-headed entertainers giving support to Bill Clinton tonight...
http://news.yahoo.com/decade-difference-concert/
Never underestimate the stupidity of the peeps. As long as we remain a country of idiots, the politicians will get their way.
PD my comment wasnt directed at u .. It was directed at alex jones who has since toned down his own bs comments and to the msm.
Of course Obama and the dems are trying to co=opt but have u guys watched the livestream ??? I have not seen ONE obama sign yet. So the co-opting is not working!!!
Would there be any terrorist plots in the US if the FBI wasn't manufacturing the plots themselves?
Well as there have never been any other kind - it seems the answer is a simple, NO.
This is of course a manifold that branches out to a thousand other questions about this so-called "war on terrorism." These answers are kindred of the answer to the first question.
There is no such thing as the "war on terrorism." it is theater. It is the design of the Public Relations Regime and nothing else. A false paradigm of hallucinatory mythology.
Sounds awfully familiar. Something along the line of a sting where they filled a cube van with fake explosives that weren't and getting some doofus to drive it into an underground without figuring that it wouldn't fit only to get stuck. "WTC 93" anyone.
I suppose the definition of "co-opt" needs to be refined and understood.
It need not be the protesters themselves and their true goals that are in any way altered. The co-opt is in the manufacture of the general perceptions - never the event itself.
Just about anything can happen, and by the same token, just about anything can be spun.
It must be recalled and always kept in mind that the vast majority of Amerikans are enchanted, under the spell of the TV. What happens ON TV is what happened in their minds.
Until the Ogre marches down their own street, cracks down their own doors, they will remain oblivious.
When the TV finally covers this thing, it will be for the sake of spin, not for the sake of truth. There is no sense in waiting for anything else to happen with that medium as long as it is in the hands of the current system. \\][//
Yea...just a matter of time I would say - something is bound to go live. The state is feeling under pressure, it usually lets of steam with a false flag and a rally 'round the May-Pole. \\][//
Next step, when it is just too big to ignore, there will be provocation, THEN the MSM will pounce upon it...and no matter how they spin it, that will become the 'official story', and the TVZombies will buy it hook line and sinker...
A steady vilification of the protesters will cascade through theatrical events stage via provocation. This will be the most difficult period for the protests, but if they can survive and continue to swell - and they may, we will then enter a period of extreme novelty.
The only page left on the script of the despots will be full spectrum crackdown - ie, revolution or submission. \\][//
Grasp my message. I am attempting to give a practical analysis of the current and probable unfolding situation. We are not generals here leading on these protests. We are making commentary, that is what our voice is for.
O'if only I were a covert spirit, an angelic general, and could whisper advice in each ear of those out in the streets tonight. And into the ears of those on the fence about going to join in this general uprising. I would urge courage and forbearance, patience and strong will to see this through. I would beckon others of will and energy to move out into the streets as well.
I would advise them to go for it and not stop until the system itself submits...
And there is the crux of it all right there isn't it. When the blood flows, will it be only those of the people, or will it be mixed with the blood of the tyrants...for the solution is unfinished without both. It is an impotent insurrection that leaves that potion incomplete - like the oil without the vinegar as salad dressing...ruined greens. \\ll//
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Well, Rogue1, there exists a really large flock of sheep. And we can imagine for the most part, they will act like the sheep they are. Out of this flock, perhaps a few will grow balls, and most will remain neutered and sedate. It is what I expect, from watching the flock over a number of years.
Now, I must point out that a great many of folks have seen for certain that "they cannot trust political, financial, and judicial heads, minions, and their affiliated agencies". Flat out -- They will never again trust these reptile operators. It is, it must be, an ever-growing People's Army that will not fall for any more "charades" and psy-ops. At some point, you can smell the enemy before you see him. You "perceive" the liar, the charlatan, while he continues his arrogant Act, thinking he's selling you, he's "Got You". However, it is You who have finally "made" this snake, and it's every word is a repulsive hiss in your ears. Many and more every day are "attuned".
This is the status. Eyes wide open, ear to the ground, finger on the trigger, watching the carnival barkers do their thing. The reptiles are no different, they have not changed, nor can they. What has changed is the environment around us and them. Prickly tension crackles and sparks like live wires, while men prepare for the unknown. The known knowns are that the reptiles are "certifiable". Humanity at large will not stand for much more abuse, before Justice returns to The People.
There are only two roads here, are there not? (1) The People bear continued escalations of abuse until the proverbial "line in the sand" is breached. Where, No farther shall the reptiles slither. (2) Capitulation by Humanity on a world-wide scale to the elite's deceptions and jack boot authoritarianism. I don't see that happening. The Nazi atrocities, and those since up to today's ongoing insane genocides, are the impetus to keep Humanity's attention riveted on the rattlers and the dragons. WE KNOW WHO WE are dealing with.
Long story short -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
Rogue1 ~ "The only page left on the script of the despots will be full spectrum crackdown – ie, revolution or submission".
We have seen submission for far too long from the meek. NOW, we are into the Revolution mind-set.
The easiest thing for me to see here, with the choices afforded, is that "Submission" is a death sentence, 1001 ways to die at the hands of psychopaths.
Revolution is the Road to Victory for Humanity. Submission does not lead to Victory and OBVIOUSLY never will. So WE will have Revolution as the only way for instinctual creatures like humans to choose. Survival is found in Revolution. The end of an oppressed, abusive, and pitiful life is the reward for submission. Not much of a choice, aye?
What is the critical mass of humanity that is required to conquer the sinister system of snakes? I don't know. But every day WE get closer to that number. Quickly it comes...
"What is the critical mass of humanity that is required to conquer the sinister system of snakes? I don’t know. But every day WE get closer to that number. Quickly it comes…"~Boom
Here here, there truly is no alternate route but to succeed in ridding ourselves of the rot. As you say - something is happening - something novel has arrived.
I am transfixed by the possibilities of it.
Let our positive vibes influence and mold this thing...keep attentive to it as we are each part of it in our own way. \\ii//
Our march started at 2:00pm. Approximately 300 to 400 strong. Before the march I went up to the police, many of them I'm becoming quite familiar with, and again told them they could end this shit if they'd just arrest that assholes we're protesting against.
We marched from City Hall through the French Quarter, and just to piss the police off, made a turn into Jackson Square and marched around it before resuming our "approved" route.
Slap-happy, disorganized, as it all is, it's coming together. There's a segment of hard-cores that are willing to push the envelope, so I suspect you'll be hearing about arrests from here soon. So far the police have been very cool. However they did have one heavy-weight Lt./SWAT-Team, square-jawed, a dozen metals on his chest, super-serious member of the NOPD that I got too. I handed him some info on 9/11 that I believe he might actually take a look at. Then again I could have just put myself a few notches up the hit-list.
The march was okay. Seemed maybe 30% were giving us support, a lot of slack-jaws, picture takers, and may 10% angry or openly disapproving. One guy through a 9/11 flier at my feet screaming that I was full of shit, because "he was there that day." Which I suppose qualifies him as an expert. Funny thing was he was part of the march. Takes a whole lot of people to fill-up a freeway.
After the march I went over to Lafayette Square, the place across the street from our Federal Reserve, because they had a huge free blues festival going on. So I parked my bike in front of the FED, with my "END the FED" sign, and managed to place a few Ron Paul stickers on the FED's gates. I had to do this under the watchful eyes of the guards and they didn't notice. So the FED will have Ron Paul stickers on it until at least Monday.
In the center of the Jackson Square NOLA stands Clark Mills' equestrian statue of Andrew Jackson erected in 1856. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Andrew_Jackson_NO.jpg/1280px-Andrew_Jackson_NO.jpg
In the center of Lafayette Park WDC stands Clark Mills' equestrian statue of Andrew Jackson, erected in 1853. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Andrew_Jackson_%282873018869%29.jpg
Concepcion Picciotto also known as Conchita or Connie, has lived in Lafayette Square on the 1600 block of Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C. in a peace camp across from the White House since August 1981 in protest of nuclear arms. She has carried on the longest continuous act of political protest in the United States. http://www.prop1.org/conchita/
wow I went to the live feed,:-) great turnout. very very little of which is being shown here you can bet. I sent a link and will be calling aus citibank tomorrow to register my disgust with their head offices behaviour. almost wish I had an account with em so I could close it.! see your fingers are flying jersey. go girl!
I see Al the Goracle says HE supports OWS. yeah really... the man who is an A grade profiteer OF that same system banksters buddy, carbon trades and derivatives and all the rest. scum rising for sure. better look out, if he shows up, so will snow. snowjobs are his specialty..crazed sex poodle that he is, snow /blow not much different-someone gets done.
Yea Oz, u got that right. Their "support" at the moment is limited to bogus lip service. There is an unmoderated NYC livestream chat where I was this morning. Was really cool. Lot's of differing opinions and only one guy who was defending Obama and his name was UFtard..lol nuff said.
We talked about both parties being corrupt, about how they keep saying there is no message when the message is quite clear.. TOTAL CORRUPTION of our govt by banksters and corporations. What don't they get about that? We all agreed to End the Fed and that MSM were nothing but presstitutes. We did disagree on 9/11. The room was about 1/2 and 1/2 on that issue. Amazing that people can so clearly see the bankster conspiracy but not 9/11.
M, I had someone say that same thing to me in the chat this morning. That he lost friends on that day. So? That means it wasn't an inside job? People just don't want to face that awful truth.
Thank you Michael :) I was watching NOLA's protest online and thought I saw someone that looked like you. I said..hey there's my friend Michael (to no one in particular) lol. The crowd looked bigger than just a couple hundred.
M, did u see any Obama 2012 posters? If you do, I know you'll give em hell ! ;)
Yes Will. The importance of sending out positive vibes is of the utmost importance now. When you watch the livestream and the protesters are surrounded by cops holding those bread tie cuffs and orange netting the tension is palpable. It's like watching a suspense movie, I swear to you it's nerve wracking.
THe protesters are indeed real. I think those "anarchists" in Rome that split off from the main group were agents provacateur not part of OWS. Of course the MSM loves when things get violent which is why they have to keep it peaceful. They really DON'T know what to do with that.
The time will come when push will truly come to shove as the economy crashes and people want immediate revenge. I'm not looking forward to that. But these people out there are sincere and not just dirty hippies as the press is making them out to be. That's the kinda press they get when they get any at all. Oh unless they are being abused by the cops then they cover that an additional 1 min. They obviously don't want the people to see how many are out in the streets. It makes them nervous.
Boomer.. revolution or rebellion whatever u wanna call it, IS the only road at this point. We are tired of sitting back and taking it. It's time to fight back and make THEM wonder what will happen next. They are not invincible. If I believed that, I wouldn't even be here typing on Coto. I'd be out partying like it was 2012. ha
I hate fascist pigs but many of the cops have actually told the protesters they are with them. We have military too. I think there are way more in higher command out there that feel the same way. I've felt that for a while now which is why now is the time to take our last chance at ending this bullshit.
I think making the snakes "nervous" is worth only a farthing. "Oh no! The People are not doing what we command them to do! We can't Control them!"
Making the Controllers truly scared that They have lost control, that their control systems have failed is the next step to controlling our individual lives. That is what this is all about. Who is in control. "We don't need no thought control". Seems self evident doesn't it?
Absolutely Boom. But first they get nervous and start to sweat, then they watch the numbers grow and become more and more anxious.... then the nightmares start.. then it becomes their WORST living nightmare. :)
Yeah, the "I was there," meme is pure bullshit. It just means you were exposed first hand to the trauma and it had a stronger effect and therefore you are more easily manipulated.
I'm planning to show a few 9/11 documentaries at the base camp to hopefully wake some of the confused up.
Sure...I got that from "Nam vets" who would tell me I didn't understand, because I wasn't there...as if being any particular place makes any difference to the study of vast complex situations.
I think of those boys I grew up with often these days...the ones who volunteered for "Nam", the "John Wayne" wannabe's out to hobble the "Slants"...like "Back to Bataan." I don't have to wonder how they view all this "protest stuff"...Lol "gawdam commie pinkos the lot of them...kill them all and let god sort it out..."
Ah it's a perfect world for the hangman, aye? \\][//
Dinosaurs, one and all. Back in the day here, there were many draft dodgers and some that had done their time. Good people, but dislocated and dealing with demons. Of the guys I encountered, The ones that had done Nam, were for the most part on suicide missions and were hellbent to wreck themselves. Makes me wonder how a person like Biden could be such a sellout to his brothers in arms enduring what he did but then maybe he sold out a long time ago.
So I went on downtown here for our own little Occupy Duckburg and here's what I saw:
It aint about Obam or Sam or Iran or the Plan. It's more about the 7-11 than any 9-11. We generally agree that the Rich Fatties have taken over everything.
Well just because you got most of the "money" does not mean you get to run fucking EVERYTHING... and they're like...
"well... yes it DOES."
And guess what... there were about 2-300 of us there. So whap, blap- a little quick math... that's about 1/10th of one percent... same as the Rich Fatties.
But we ARE the 99%... and each one of us standing around Duckburg Square, knows we are only the vocal part. Nobody had to explain it. So here's the deal:
NEW RULE: Just because you got most of the "money" DOES NOT MEAN you get to run FUCKING EVERYTHING.
It's over. There is no "see about that" to it. It's fucking OOOOO-VEERRRR. The "financial system" is collapsing... we're all getting fucked except for a few Rich Fatties. It began when they took over fucking everything.
Hah...I played the system, rather than dodging the draft. I joined and then quit. I ended up with a 1Y classifornication...I would be drafted again just before the women and children...Lol
So this is my soul felt answer, the corporation known as The United States of America is null and void, and has no lawful jurisdiction over the people. They are usurpers and the people have been coerced and conned by lies and and spin. When and if this ever sinks in to a substantial minority is when real change is possible. But there will be no change from starry eyed daydream believers. Only more herding. Obedience to herding will eventually be the downfall. Resistance must at some point be physical...this is after all a physical world yet still. To acquiesce is to fail. To compromise is to fail. To negotiate is to fail. The demand of the Total and Complete surrender of the system is the only victory. \\][//
Oh yeah- Veterans For Peace were there. Both of them. But the other guy was someplace else- so I only talked to about half of them. They have been on that same corner in varying numbers once a month for the past ten years. I have seen a couple dozen of these vets when there were about the same few hundred folk. Sometimes it was just those two guys. The only thing that draws the thousands out in Duckburg is a Colts rally.
"It's never been like this," he said and I agreed. The veteran dude and I were in Boy Scouts together, but I'm not sure he remembers that. It's the closest I ever came to wearing a uniform, but maybe he did not tire of it as quickly. Back in the day another high school chum and I were the Duckburg SDS. I know this place. I was born here. Have seen this cute little Indiana mud-bubble go from 50 to 300 thousand peeps in the last 60 years or so.
I have lived lots of other places for a year or two and got to know them almost as well as this place. But here eye be a square-one home-boy, and it's never been like this. Came close in the civil rights struggles and during the VN war. But now I see a class fully aware of itself. Not to go all Marxian on ya or anything, but that is an essential ingredient if you buy into that theory. This aint a fashion statement like the 60s or a race thing like the 50s. Some of us might be rednecks, but we aint Reds. Well, some of us may have been back in the day, but abandoned that when the goth twerps with thier little red books came to the party. They couldn't get any good dope, let alone sustain a world revolution.
It sounded like a traffic jam. Somebody had a sign, "honk if you are in a car," along with lots of 99% signs. I think the Burgers are catching on. I suppose for every ten cars that gave us a honk there was one that flipped us the bird. I only saw that once. There is very little ideology here, and what there is is being dealt with on a caucus-level with efficiency that seems almost magical. Like the stillness in the wind before the hurricane begins. For every uniform you see there are nine you can't... and for every uniform worn there are ten more who have them back home in some closet. Ideology is like that.
Will ... how the hell did u just quit? What is a 1Y?
My ex who was my b/f at the time had to join the Guards to avoid going to nam.. His number was 121. We even thought about running to Canada at the time. Back then the guards defended the country, not fought wars overseas. He did wind up during his stint having to assist in two floods in Pa. But at least he was helping the people of our state instead of killing or being killed in Nam.
Total non-cooperation. I wouldn't march, I just walked along with the guys, I wouldn't stand at attention, I would just stand there in my natural pose, even with my hands in my pockets at times. I would talk and make gestures, nod and make faces. Nothing extreme. I just was who I always have been.
I'd be sent to see superiors, walk in and say, "Hi I'm Airman Whitten."...never could wrap my lips around that "sir" thing.
I had a confrontation with my drill instructor up in his office early on. He got so pissed off he jumped up and came around his desk at me. I had been at attention, had saluted and said sir up 'till then. As he started to come at me, I just totally relaxed and turned slightly towards him to face him...and smiled.
He stopped dead in his tracks and looked at me with the weirdest expression. After about ten seconds of just looking at each other he just said, "Your dismissed airman," and I turned and walked out and back down stairs.
That's when I started getting orders to go to see Capt. 'so-n'so', then the base psychiatrist. Then Major Tom...etc. Lol
Anyway they finally sent me to the base commander, some general.
We just talked for about three hours or so. Interesting conversation. He had all my files on his desk in front of him. Let me through - what now is obvious was a set pattern - conversation. I was just totally upfront about everything. near the end he asked about the war, about Vietnam. I said I thought it was a crime, that the US had no right to go to another country and kill their people.
It went on a bit, finally he ask's, "What would have happened in WW2 if everyone was like you. I snapped back, "if everyone was like me there wouldn't have been a WW2."
He visibly changed expression and attitude at that moment, leaned back in his chair and looked into my eyes hard. Finally he said, "Well airman, you are a bonified conscientious objector...I am going to recommend you for a discharge on those grounds." He then assured me it would be under honorable conditions and wouldn't affect my life's careers in any negative way. And said I could go, that all would be processed in a matter of days. And it was. \\][//
I can't see much bullshit ww... but then, I've watched huge companies diddle away months and millions to come up with some kind of bizspeak "mission statement." It IS a lot like the fireworks over Fort Sumter. But then- it might be like the Berlin Wall just falling over. These memes are going through a powerful distillation process. We got our own wall in Fort Duck: http://waldopaper.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/occupy-duckburg/
The bullshit is the delusion that they can work this through the system as it stands. This will mean compromise. They will then be compromised in every definition of the term.
That is what I mean by bullshit.
2014??? WTF are they talking about?? We will be dog meat by 2014.
Mark my words Cotomoto's, if nothing more than this drivel comes out of this, it has all been in vain. \\][//
Well that didn't work out all that well for little Oliver now did it?
Ah, that boy had a lot to learn - a lot of growing up to do.
I see a lot of Oliver's on the streets of NY. They haven't known much else. I see some Fagin's too, who do know the other side of life. So as a schizophrenic conglomerate - which personality will show it's face tomorrow tomorrow there's always tomorrow wo wo wo? \\ii//
It took over ten years for the tipping-point peeps... them mythical 100th monkeys... to figure out wodafook wuz goin on. Now in less than a month they cobbled a meta-constitution and are about to get an instant replay of the past 150 years in about a week.
This is "compliance," not the same as obedience. Nobody who has seen the elephant in the room has any illusions of "working within."
At least not among us greenies wot ustabe rednecks.
That statement of demands is not property of OWS.. I don't know where they got hold of them but they are not from OWS. They have not stated any demands. They have no leaders. That's the way it has to be so they can't be attacked just as you have just done Will :) Here is their site. .. As you can see there is NO statement of demands:
http://occupywallst.org/about/
I agree that is the way to go. Greed and corruption of the 1% IS what they are protesting. THeir demand is that it be ended by the people united.
Maybe it was that co-opter George Soros and moveon.org that put that out for public consumption.
They didn't shut the park down for cleaning because even the unions showed up to stop it. The people in the park actually brought in flowers to restore the trampled ones. They won round one that time. They also won times square because of their sheer numbers. We need more people.
Will, stop being a hater !@ They are doing something. Dammit, give them a break. So what if it ends up not being successful. You never get anywhere without trying.
"That statement of demands is not property of OWS.. I don’t know where they got hold of them but they are not from OWS."~JG
Are you stating that as fact or is it your opinion?
I am finding it hard to believe anyone knows what is going on here at all - and frankly I would prefer it that way as long as this movement keeps growing and more people become involved.
But as far as the 'Declaration' - my critique of it stands.
And if it turns out that it IS the real and the way this movement is going I will give a blow by blow reason why I have that criticism.
Now Deb, take a deep breath for crying out loud. If this ISN'T an OWS statement, then why do you care if I treat it harshly. If it IS their statement - why do you attempt to distance from it unless you see it as unhelpful???
“We’re a peaceful nation”, President Bush assured the world on 7th October 2001, announcing the assault on Afghanistan.
We know what they have done to Afghanistan, to Iraq, to Libya, to everyone they have brought their "Democracy" to...
I will say one more time - do not make deals with the devil. It is the system that we fight that is the devil...not any particular demon that speaks for it. The whole world depends on the people of the US toppling this monster. It MUST BE toppled, there is no alternative. \\][//
Young lady? really? I wish. Anyway, my head is exactly where it should be. I'm just taking a more positive view of all this. I like that people are out in the streets and being non violent. I know it won't stay that way forever as I keep saying. The bastards will keep pushing but so far the kids are alright and holding their ground even with the fascist pig unit of the police force trying to beat them down.
Thanks Deb...I have a positive view of the people in the streets. I do I do...I am however grating against any silly compromises with the system...be they announcements by whomever I will remark on them...
I see that disinfo is flying like fruit at a lousy play...
Do you mind if I dis the disinfo...
I AM NO AGAINST THIS MOVEMENT
I am against it making premature mistakes in strategy. \\][//
In October 2008, Columbia University, the US Department of State, Google, Howcast Media, and other media companies sponsored the inaugural Alliance of Youth Movements Summit. This event brought together digital activists, technology and media leaders, NGOs, and governments to convene, share best practices, and create a network of socially responsible grassroots activists using technology for their movements and campaigns. In March 2010, The Alliance for Youth Movements hosted its 3rd annual summit in London, which was sponsored by the UK Home Office and other media companies. At the end of the summit it was announced that the Alliance for Youth Movements was launching a new online hub for digital activism, Movements.org. In February 2011, Movements.org was officially launched and the Alliance for Youth Movements re-branded itself as Movements.org http://www.movements.org/blog/entry/occupy-everywhere-resource-guide/
It’s long since been time for the people to speak to this regime in DC in the language it understands—force. And now we have an engraved invitation to do so. The phony plot to kill the Saudi ambassador. Statesmanship involves turning lemons into lemonade. So we can stop talking. Instead, we can follow the rat lines in Iraq and Afghanistan back to their sources, and destroy them. We can strike at the syndicate of usurpers in DC, and weaken them. And we can hit the regime at every opportunity, and set it back.~ww [to paraphrase Kristol]
"It’s long since been time for the United States to speak to this regime in the language it understands—force. And now we have an engraved invitation to do so. The plot to kill the Saudi ambassador was a lemon. Statesmanship involves turning lemons into lemonade. So we can stop talking. Instead, we can follow the rat lines in Iraq and Afghanistan back to their sources, and destroy them. We can strike at the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), and weaken them. And we can hit the regime’s nuclear weapons program, and set it back."`Wm Kristol \\][//
"More diplomacy is not an adequate response."~FPI's executive director Jamie Fly
And we agree in kind...the time for talk is over, the regime in Washington DC must be crushed, and stand trial for treason against the people of the United States. \\][//
Thus will this provision in its practical effect deprive the Eastern as well as the Southern and Western States of the means of raising a revenue from the extension of business and great profits of this institution. It will make the American people debtors to aliens in nearly the whole amount due to this bank, and send across the Atlantic from two to five millions of specie every year to pay the bank dividends.~Andrew Jackson 1832 \\ll//
"Many people have asked, who is behind this declaration and plan of action? We are a group of college students and pro bono lawyers who met when the students got arrested in NYC. Since then, we have established an Occupy Wall Street "Working Group" to prepare a proposal to elect an Executive Committee for the purpose of organizing an election of a National General Assembly to vote on a formal petition of grievances. This is only a proposal and sample list of just demands on the government. Only a duly elected body can legitimize a list of demands from the People."
So they are a "group"...without names, just a group...that's who they are. Good, I am glad to know so much about them...
Not to be cynical or anything so ogreish as that - but I want to know who the fuck these guys are. I don't see how co-opting the name Occupy Wall Street, and adding "working group" to it gives it any weight. That' just about as federal is to the Federal Reserve.
Furthermore, I don't like their attitude nor their plan for action. They have a few things backwards there. and if this persists I will enumerate those. For now, it should be ignored as much too premature. Let the process of the swelling of the ranks proceed without this sort of dandy-boy bullshit. \\][//
"In short, we believe that the time has come to harness the momentum of this movement and direct it at constructive goals to make change"
They want to "harness the momentum"...aye, and for what puny purpose?
>>"the foremost of which is getting money out of federal politics once and for all. All politicians in this country should immediately take a pledge to refuse all sources of private campaign contributions which we view as legalized bribery."
Not shutting down this insane system - not arresting these crooks in DC and trying them for treason, but attempting yet again to negotiate with the bastards.
I say bullshit - this is another attempt to corral that "momentum" and "harness" it for the benefit of the oligarchs...it is the same agenda as Movements.org - a USG PSYOP.
Ha ha ha...no they are in charge of west coast ops...that is their 'theater of operations'...but yea, it is a military computer...who knows who is at it or why. I imagine it's official though.... \\][//
That list of demands IS phony as I stated previously. From wiki comes the info that I learned to be true by observing OWS daily....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street
It seems the subverting is going on from groups trying to pretend they are representing OWS when they are in fact pushing their own agenda. OWS needs to keep reiterating they have no official set of demands at this time to avoid the political takeover of the movement..
yea yea yea...keep it amorphous that is the only way to grow this.
You don't want to give an unformed child a test of intent even before it is out of the womb. Let it develop, get strong.
After all...we know that what is wrong is OBVIOUS...don't we?
Well, if it's obvious then the movement will just 'get it'..."don't have to say nothing, or move a muscle...oh, maybe you could whistle...you know how to whistle don't you?"~Lauren Bacall to Humpity Bogart \\ii//
Celente gets it...Enough with the divide and conquer tactics from the naysayers. THEY are the infiltrators and co-opters.
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Whew; This is the time. It's going to get nastier before it starts to turn. The crooks will put up a fierce resistance but their hand has played out. As in the police brutality against the dissenters, That's what's bringing people awake. The whole world has been waiting for this, the American people to come to and start connecting the dots.
ReplyDeleteMeanwhile...Clinton and Obama are frantically trying to co-opt the OWS movement as it escalates. Let's hope the peeps can see through their bullshit. If Clint-o-bama get their hands around it, it's as good as dead.
ReplyDeleteI think people are starting to see these creeps as just being the carneys. Old PT's still sitting back counting the spoils. As with the Tea Party, another will rise should that be the case. As the saying goes "Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind". We're the superweed that "Roundup Ready" has become ineffective to contain
ReplyDeleteSo in 21st century Amerika a customer can walk into his own bank and cannot close his account, but is instead arrested.
ReplyDeleteDoes this sink in? I wonder...WTF
In your wildest dreams, even this detail is a mind melter...woowoo...
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Guys I've been watching this for two weeks now. I can tell you it is NOT coopted.. That's all media BULLSHIT.. THEY are the ones trying to coopt it.. Majority of these people hate BOTH parties just as celente said..
ReplyDeleteCHeck out times square right now
http://www.myfoxny.com/subindex/video/live_video_2
Live Feed Occupy NYC
http://www.livestream.com/occupynyc
BTW, Tens of thousands are occupying Times Square right now and not a peep on MSM.... Now u tell me, if it was co-opted wouldn't they be advertising it all over corporate media?
ReplyDeleteThe muse says the time will be syncronized and the event, stat.
ReplyDeleteI've never said it was co-opted Deb. I said it plays into their plans. That's for certain and it one step forward two steps back.
ReplyDeleteSo goes alternate media, libertarianism, arab spring, 911 truth etc, etc, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHAqoWQFOvc
ReplyDeleteJG, Obama is already trying to co-opt the movement...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Wall-Street-Protests-Obama-Occupy-Wall-Street-Unions-Jobs-Labor-131221814.html
It's gonna get worse. Do I believe his BS? Of course not. Just saying that I'm sure Obama is gonna try and make a campaign issue out of it even though he could be a poster boy for the oligarchs. It's what they do.
Case in point: Look at all the dunder-headed entertainers giving support to Bill Clinton tonight...
http://news.yahoo.com/decade-difference-concert/
Never underestimate the stupidity of the peeps. As long as we remain a country of idiots, the politicians will get their way.
PD my comment wasnt directed at u .. It was directed at alex jones who has since toned down his own bs comments and to the msm.
ReplyDeleteOf course Obama and the dems are trying to co=opt but have u guys watched the livestream ??? I have not seen ONE obama sign yet. So the co-opting is not working!!!
Would there be any terrorist plots in the US if the FBI wasn't manufacturing the plots themselves?
ReplyDeleteWell as there have never been any other kind - it seems the answer is a simple, NO.
This is of course a manifold that branches out to a thousand other questions about this so-called "war on terrorism." These answers are kindred of the answer to the first question.
There is no such thing as the "war on terrorism." it is theater. It is the design of the Public Relations Regime and nothing else.
A false paradigm of hallucinatory mythology.
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Sounds awfully familiar. Something along the line of a sting where they filled a cube van with fake explosives that weren't and getting some doofus to drive it into an underground without figuring that it wouldn't fit only to get stuck. "WTC 93" anyone.
ReplyDeleteI suppose the definition of "co-opt" needs to be refined and understood.
ReplyDeleteIt need not be the protesters themselves and their true goals that are in any way altered. The co-opt is in the manufacture of the general perceptions - never the event itself.
Just about anything can happen, and by the same token, just about anything can be spun.
It must be recalled and always kept in mind that the vast majority of Amerikans are enchanted, under the spell of the TV. What happens ON TV is what happened in their minds.
Until the Ogre marches down their own street, cracks down their own doors, they will remain oblivious.
When the TV finally covers this thing, it will be for the sake of spin, not for the sake of truth. There is no sense in waiting for anything else to happen with that medium as long as it is in the hands of the current system.
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ReplyDeleteYea...just a matter of time I would say - something is bound to go live.
The state is feeling under pressure, it usually lets of steam with a false flag and a rally 'round the May-Pole.
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You are right JG...the protesters are true...
ReplyDeleteNext step, when it is just too big to ignore, there will be provocation, THEN the MSM will pounce upon it...and no matter how they spin it, that will become the 'official story', and the TVZombies will buy it hook line and sinker...
A steady vilification of the protesters will cascade through theatrical events stage via provocation. This will be the most difficult period for the protests, but if they can survive and continue to swell - and they may, we will then enter a period of extreme novelty.
The only page left on the script of the despots will be full spectrum crackdown - ie, revolution or submission.
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Grasp my message. I am attempting to give a practical analysis of the current and probable unfolding situation.
ReplyDeleteWe are not generals here leading on these protests. We are making commentary, that is what our voice is for.
O'if only I were a covert spirit, an angelic general, and could whisper advice in each ear of those out in the streets tonight. And into the ears of those on the fence about going to join in this general uprising.
I would urge courage and forbearance, patience and strong will to see this through. I would beckon others of will and energy to move out into the streets as well.
I would advise them to go for it and not stop until the system itself submits...
And there is the crux of it all right there isn't it. When the blood flows, will it be only those of the people, or will it be mixed with the blood of the tyrants...for the solution is unfinished without both. It is an impotent insurrection that leaves that potion incomplete - like the oil without the vinegar as salad dressing...ruined greens.
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http://www.hasbro.com/games/kid-games/monopoly/images/money/monopoly-money-twenty-dollar.pdf
Well, Rogue1, there exists a really large flock of sheep. And we can imagine for the most part, they will act like the sheep they are. Out of this flock, perhaps a few will grow balls, and most will remain neutered and sedate. It is what I expect, from watching the flock over a number of years.
ReplyDeleteNow, I must point out that a great many of folks have seen for certain that "they cannot trust political, financial, and judicial heads, minions, and their affiliated agencies". Flat out -- They will never again trust these reptile operators. It is, it must be, an ever-growing People's Army that will not fall for any more "charades" and psy-ops. At some point, you can smell the enemy before you see him. You "perceive" the liar, the charlatan, while he continues his arrogant Act, thinking he's selling you, he's "Got You". However, it is You who have finally "made" this snake, and it's every word is a repulsive hiss in your ears. Many and more every day are "attuned".
This is the status. Eyes wide open, ear to the ground, finger on the trigger, watching the carnival barkers do their thing. The reptiles are no different, they have not changed, nor can they. What has changed is the environment around us and them. Prickly tension crackles and sparks like live wires, while men prepare for the unknown. The known knowns are that the reptiles are "certifiable". Humanity at large will not stand for much more abuse, before Justice returns to The People.
There are only two roads here, are there not? (1) The People bear continued escalations of abuse until the proverbial "line in the sand" is breached. Where, No farther shall the reptiles slither. (2) Capitulation by Humanity on a world-wide scale to the elite's deceptions and jack boot authoritarianism. I don't see that happening. The Nazi atrocities, and those since up to today's ongoing insane genocides, are the impetus to keep Humanity's attention riveted on the rattlers and the dragons. WE KNOW WHO WE are dealing with.
Long story short -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!
Rogue1 ~ "The only page left on the script of the despots will be full spectrum crackdown – ie, revolution or submission".
We have seen submission for far too long from the meek. NOW, we are into the Revolution mind-set.
The easiest thing for me to see here, with the choices afforded, is that "Submission" is a death sentence, 1001 ways to die at the hands of psychopaths.
Revolution is the Road to Victory for Humanity. Submission does not lead to Victory and OBVIOUSLY never will. So WE will have Revolution as the only way for instinctual creatures like humans to choose. Survival is found in Revolution. The end of an oppressed, abusive, and pitiful life is the reward for submission. Not much of a choice, aye?
What is the critical mass of humanity that is required to conquer the sinister system of snakes? I don't know. But every day WE get closer to that number. Quickly it comes...
The May Pole is a Pole Cat something way smelly
ReplyDelete"What is the critical mass of humanity that is required to conquer the sinister system of snakes? I don’t know. But every day WE get closer to that number. Quickly it comes…"~Boom
ReplyDeleteHere here, there truly is no alternate route but to succeed in ridding ourselves of the rot. As you say - something is happening - something novel has arrived.
I am transfixed by the possibilities of it.
Let our positive vibes influence and mold this thing...keep attentive to it as we are each part of it in our own way.
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Our march started at 2:00pm. Approximately 300 to 400 strong. Before the march I went up to the police, many of them I'm becoming quite familiar with, and again told them they could end this shit if they'd just arrest that assholes we're protesting against.
ReplyDeleteWe marched from City Hall through the French Quarter, and just to piss the police off, made a turn into Jackson Square and marched around it before resuming our "approved" route.
Slap-happy, disorganized, as it all is, it's coming together. There's a segment of hard-cores that are willing to push the envelope, so I suspect you'll be hearing about arrests from here soon. So far the police have been very cool. However they did have one heavy-weight Lt./SWAT-Team, square-jawed, a dozen metals on his chest, super-serious member of the NOPD that I got too. I handed him some info on 9/11 that I believe he might actually take a look at. Then again I could have just put myself a few notches up the hit-list.
The march was okay. Seemed maybe 30% were giving us support, a lot of slack-jaws, picture takers, and may 10% angry or openly disapproving. One guy through a 9/11 flier at my feet screaming that I was full of shit, because "he was there that day." Which I suppose qualifies him as an expert. Funny thing was he was part of the march. Takes a whole lot of people to fill-up a freeway.
After the march I went over to Lafayette Square, the place across the street from our Federal Reserve, because they had a huge free blues festival going on. So I parked my bike in front of the FED, with my "END the FED" sign, and managed to place a few Ron Paul stickers on the FED's gates. I had to do this under the watchful eyes of the guards and they didn't notice. So the FED will have Ron Paul stickers on it until at least Monday.
Peace Camp
ReplyDeleteIn the center of the Jackson Square NOLA stands Clark Mills' equestrian statue of Andrew Jackson erected in 1856.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Andrew_Jackson_NO.jpg/1280px-Andrew_Jackson_NO.jpg
In the center of Lafayette Park WDC stands Clark Mills' equestrian statue of Andrew Jackson, erected in 1853.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Andrew_Jackson_%282873018869%29.jpg
Concepcion Picciotto also known as Conchita or Connie, has lived in Lafayette Square on the 1600 block of Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, D.C. in a peace camp across from the White House since August 1981 in protest of nuclear arms. She has carried on the longest continuous act of political protest in the United States.
http://www.prop1.org/conchita/
wow I went to the live feed,:-) great turnout.
ReplyDeletevery very little of which is being shown here you can bet.
I sent a link and will be calling aus citibank tomorrow to register my disgust with their head offices behaviour.
almost wish I had an account with em so I could close it.!
see your fingers are flying jersey. go girl!
I see Al the Goracle says HE supports OWS.
ReplyDeleteyeah really... the man who is an A grade profiteer OF that same system banksters buddy, carbon trades and derivatives and all the rest.
scum rising for sure.
better look out, if he shows up, so will snow.
snowjobs are his specialty..crazed sex poodle that he is,
snow /blow not much different-someone gets done.
Yea Oz, u got that right. Their "support" at the moment is limited to bogus lip service. There is an unmoderated NYC livestream chat where I was this morning. Was really cool. Lot's of differing opinions and only one guy who was defending Obama and his name was UFtard..lol nuff said.
ReplyDeleteWe talked about both parties being corrupt, about how they keep saying there is no message when the message is quite clear.. TOTAL CORRUPTION of our govt by banksters and corporations. What don't they get about that? We all agreed to End the Fed and that MSM were nothing but presstitutes. We did disagree on 9/11. The room was about 1/2 and 1/2 on that issue. Amazing that people can so clearly see the bankster conspiracy but not 9/11.
M, I had someone say that same thing to me in the chat this morning. That he lost friends on that day. So? That means it wasn't an inside job? People just don't want to face that awful truth.
Thank you Michael :) I was watching NOLA's protest online and thought I saw someone that looked like you. I said..hey there's my friend Michael (to no one in particular) lol. The crowd looked bigger than just a couple hundred.
ReplyDeleteM, did u see any Obama 2012 posters? If you do, I know you'll give em hell ! ;)
Yes Will. The importance of sending out positive vibes is of the utmost importance now. When you watch the livestream and the protesters are surrounded by cops holding those bread tie cuffs and orange netting the tension is palpable. It's like watching a suspense movie, I swear to you it's nerve wracking.
ReplyDeleteTHe protesters are indeed real. I think those "anarchists" in Rome that split off from the main group were agents provacateur not part of OWS. Of course the MSM loves when things get violent which is why they have to keep it peaceful. They really DON'T know what to do with that.
The time will come when push will truly come to shove as the economy crashes and people want immediate revenge. I'm not looking forward to that. But these people out there are sincere and not just dirty hippies as the press is making them out to be. That's the kinda press they get when they get any at all. Oh unless they are being abused by the cops then they cover that an additional 1 min.
They obviously don't want the people to see how many are out in
the streets. It makes them nervous.
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Boomer.. revolution or rebellion whatever u wanna call it, IS the only road at this point. We are tired of sitting back and taking it. It's time to fight back and make THEM wonder what will happen next.
ReplyDeleteThey are not invincible. If I believed that, I wouldn't even be here typing on Coto. I'd be out partying like it was 2012. ha
I hate fascist pigs but many of the cops have actually told the protesters they are with them. We have military too. I think there are way more in higher command out there that feel the same way. I've felt that for a while now which is why now is the time to take our last chance at ending this bullshit.
I think making the snakes "nervous" is worth only a farthing. "Oh no! The People are not doing what we command them to do! We can't Control them!"
ReplyDeleteMaking the Controllers truly scared that They have lost control, that their control systems have failed is the next step to controlling our individual lives. That is what this is all about. Who is in control. "We don't need no thought control". Seems self evident doesn't it?
No posters, they seem to be going out of their way to keep any partisan displays out of this.
ReplyDeleteIf you saw me, I was on my bike. For much of the march I was out front. I did run into a lot of Paul supporters along the route.
Absolutely Boom. But first they get nervous and start to sweat, then they watch the numbers grow and become more and more anxious.... then the nightmares start.. then it becomes their WORST living nightmare. :)
ReplyDeleteYeah, the "I was there," meme is pure bullshit. It just means you were exposed first hand to the trauma and it had a stronger effect and therefore you are more easily manipulated.
ReplyDeleteI'm planning to show a few 9/11 documentaries at the base camp to hopefully wake some of the confused up.
"Yeah, the “I was there,” meme is pure bullshit."
ReplyDeleteSure...I got that from "Nam vets" who would tell me I didn't understand, because I wasn't there...as if being any particular place makes any difference to the study of vast complex situations.
I think of those boys I grew up with often these days...the ones who volunteered for "Nam", the "John Wayne" wannabe's out to hobble the "Slants"...like "Back to Bataan."
I don't have to wonder how they view all this "protest stuff"...Lol
"gawdam commie pinkos the lot of them...kill them all and let god sort it out..."
Ah it's a perfect world for the hangman, aye?
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Dinosaurs, one and all. Back in the day here, there were many draft dodgers and some that had done their time. Good people, but dislocated and dealing with demons. Of the guys I encountered, The ones that had done Nam, were for the most part on suicide missions and were hellbent to wreck themselves. Makes me wonder how a person like Biden could be such a sellout to his brothers in arms enduring what he did but then maybe he sold out a long time ago.
ReplyDeleteSo I went on downtown here for our own little Occupy Duckburg and here's what I saw:
ReplyDeleteIt aint about Obam or Sam or Iran or the Plan. It's more about the 7-11 than any 9-11. We generally agree that the Rich Fatties have taken over everything.
Well just because you got most of the "money" does not mean you get to run fucking EVERYTHING... and they're like...
"well... yes it DOES."
And guess what... there were about 2-300 of us there. So whap, blap- a little quick math... that's about 1/10th of one percent... same as the Rich Fatties.
But we ARE the 99%... and each one of us standing around Duckburg Square, knows we are only the vocal part. Nobody had to explain it. So here's the deal:
NEW RULE: Just because you got most of the "money" DOES NOT MEAN you get to run FUCKING EVERYTHING.
It's over. There is no "see about that" to it. It's fucking OOOOO-VEERRRR. The "financial system" is collapsing... we're all getting fucked except for a few Rich Fatties. It began when they took over fucking everything.
This is the end of the beginning.
Hah...I played the system, rather than dodging the draft. I joined and then quit. I ended up with a 1Y classifornication...I would be drafted again just before the women and children...Lol
ReplyDelete"Oh, you can't quit - whattya mean quit??"
Ha ha ha ha, You wanna bet?
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Yea well I stopped nursing my banky of certainty...all is in flux, nothing is determined.
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So this is my soul felt answer, the corporation known as The United States of America is null and void, and has no lawful jurisdiction over the people. They are usurpers and the people have been coerced and conned by lies and and spin.
ReplyDeleteWhen and if this ever sinks in to a substantial minority is when real change is possible. But there will be no change from starry eyed daydream believers. Only more herding. Obedience to herding will eventually be the downfall. Resistance must at some point be physical...this is after all a physical world yet still. To acquiesce is to fail. To compromise is to fail. To negotiate is to fail.
The demand of the Total and Complete surrender of the system is the only victory.
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Oh yeah- Veterans For Peace were there. Both of them. But the other guy was someplace else- so I only talked to about half of them. They have been on that same corner in varying numbers once a month for the past ten years. I have seen a couple dozen of these vets when there were about the same few hundred folk. Sometimes it was just those two guys. The only thing that draws the thousands out in Duckburg is a Colts rally.
ReplyDelete"It's never been like this," he said and I agreed. The veteran dude and I were in Boy Scouts together, but I'm not sure he remembers that. It's the closest I ever came to wearing a uniform, but maybe he did not tire of it as quickly. Back in the day another high school chum and I were the Duckburg SDS. I know this place. I was born here. Have seen this cute little Indiana mud-bubble go from 50 to 300 thousand peeps in the last 60 years or so.
I have lived lots of other places for a year or two and got to know them almost as well as this place. But here eye be a square-one home-boy, and it's never been like this. Came close in the civil rights struggles and during the VN war. But now I see a class fully aware of itself. Not to go all Marxian on ya or anything, but that is an essential ingredient if you buy into that theory. This aint a fashion statement like the 60s or a race thing like the 50s. Some of us might be rednecks, but we aint Reds. Well, some of us may have been back in the day, but abandoned that when the goth twerps with thier little red books came to the party. They couldn't get any good dope, let alone sustain a world revolution.
It sounded like a traffic jam. Somebody had a sign, "honk if you are in a car," along with lots of 99% signs. I think the Burgers are catching on. I suppose for every ten cars that gave us a honk there was one that flipped us the bird. I only saw that once. There is very little ideology here, and what there is is being dealt with on a caucus-level with efficiency that seems almost magical. Like the stillness in the wind before the hurricane begins. For every uniform you see there are nine you can't... and for every uniform worn there are ten more who have them back home in some closet. Ideology is like that.
Life is a beach.
That is eloquent Waldo. It truly is the end of the beginning. We're mad as hell and not going to take it anymore...
ReplyDeleteWhat are we protesting MSM? CORRUPTION ! What are our demands... END THE CORRUPTION ! Get it corrupt MSM idiots? Good... now stop asking.
Will ... how the hell did u just quit? What is a 1Y?
ReplyDeleteMy ex who was my b/f at the time had to join the Guards to avoid going to nam.. His number was 121. We even thought about running to Canada at the time. Back then the guards defended the country, not fought wars overseas. He did wind up during his stint having to assist in two floods in Pa. But at least he was helping the people of our state instead of killing or being killed in Nam.
Btw, he was as outraged as I about Kent State.
Good M. Here's hoping they watch them. I've given so many out and had people tell me they never popped them in their damn dvd player :(
ReplyDeleteTotal non-cooperation. I wouldn't march, I just walked along with the guys, I wouldn't stand at attention, I would just stand there in my natural pose, even with my hands in my pockets at times.
ReplyDeleteI would talk and make gestures, nod and make faces. Nothing extreme. I just was who I always have been.
I'd be sent to see superiors, walk in and say, "Hi I'm Airman Whitten."...never could wrap my lips around that "sir" thing.
I had a confrontation with my drill instructor up in his office early on. He got so pissed off he jumped up and came around his desk at me. I had been at attention, had saluted and said sir up 'till then. As he started to come at me, I just totally relaxed and turned slightly towards him to face him...and smiled.
He stopped dead in his tracks and looked at me with the weirdest expression. After about ten seconds of just looking at each other he just said, "Your dismissed airman," and I turned and walked out and back down stairs.
That's when I started getting orders to go to see Capt. 'so-n'so', then the base psychiatrist. Then Major Tom...etc.
Lol
Anyway they finally sent me to the base commander, some general.
We just talked for about three hours or so. Interesting conversation. He had all my files on his desk in front of him.
Let me through - what now is obvious was a set pattern - conversation.
I was just totally upfront about everything. near the end he asked about the war, about Vietnam. I said I thought it was a crime, that the US had no right to go to another country and kill their people.
It went on a bit, finally he ask's, "What would have happened in WW2 if everyone was like you. I snapped back, "if everyone was like me there wouldn't have been a WW2."
He visibly changed expression and attitude at that moment, leaned back in his chair and looked into my eyes hard.
Finally he said, "Well airman, you are a bonified conscientious objector...I am going to recommend you for a discharge on those grounds." He then assured me it would be under honorable conditions and wouldn't affect my life's careers in any negative way. And said I could go, that all would be processed in a matter of days. And it was.
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Oh yea, and it ends with this bone chilling threat:
ReplyDelete"If our demands aren't met, we just might start our own third political party" [paraphrased]...
...well fucking woowoo...I just KNOW that has the banksters peeing in their socks, Lol
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http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/the-99-percent-declaration/
ReplyDeleteThe 99 Percent Declaration
Posted on October 16, 2011 by coto2admin
By OWS Working Group
A Declaration, Petition for the Redress of Grievances and Action Plan
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I can't see much bullshit ww... but then, I've watched huge companies diddle away months and millions to come up with some kind of bizspeak "mission statement."
ReplyDeleteIt IS a lot like the fireworks over Fort Sumter.
But then- it might be like the Berlin Wall just falling over.
These memes are going through a powerful distillation process.
We got our own wall in Fort Duck: http://waldopaper.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/occupy-duckburg/
"I can’t see much bullshit ww"
ReplyDeleteThe bullshit is the delusion that they can work this through the system as it stands. This will mean compromise. They will then be compromised in every definition of the term.
That is what I mean by bullshit.
2014??? WTF are they talking about?? We will be dog meat by 2014.
Mark my words Cotomoto's, if nothing more than this drivel comes out of this, it has all been in vain.
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Tomorrow, 7AM NY Protest to be shut down and the park evicted...
ReplyDelete"Please sir...can I have more?"~Oliver Twist [Dickens]
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Well that didn't work out all that well for little Oliver now did it?
ReplyDeleteAh, that boy had a lot to learn - a lot of growing up to do.
I see a lot of Oliver's on the streets of NY. They haven't known much else. I see some Fagin's too, who do know the other side of life. So as a schizophrenic conglomerate - which personality will show it's face tomorrow tomorrow there's always tomorrow wo wo wo?
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It took over ten years for the tipping-point peeps... them mythical 100th monkeys... to figure out wodafook wuz goin on. Now in less than a month they cobbled a meta-constitution and are about to get an instant replay of the past 150 years in about a week.
ReplyDeleteThis is "compliance," not the same as obedience. Nobody who has seen the elephant in the room has any illusions of "working within."
At least not among us greenies wot ustabe rednecks.
btw, "the system as it stands" is moot because it aint gonna stand much longer. That's why they call it a tipping point.
ReplyDeleteThey still nazi the elephant fell over quirksome dime ago.
HAW! Hooba put the skeer in them herbal gerbils!
ReplyDeleteThat statement of demands is not property of OWS.. I don't know where they got hold of them but they are not from OWS. They have not stated any demands. They have no leaders. That's the way it has to be so they can't be attacked just as you have just done Will :) Here is their site. .. As you can see there is NO statement of demands:
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I agree that is the way to go. Greed and corruption of the 1% IS what they are protesting. THeir demand is that it be ended by the people united.
Maybe it was that co-opter George Soros and moveon.org that put that out for public consumption.
They didn't shut the park down for cleaning because even the unions showed up to stop it. The people in the park actually brought in flowers to restore the trampled ones. They won round one that time. They also won times square because of their sheer numbers. We need more people.
ReplyDeleteWill, stop being a hater !@ They are doing something. Dammit, give them a break. So what if it ends up not being successful. You never get anywhere without trying.
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ReplyDeletewhich led me to this;
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http://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/system/app/pages/recentChanges Edits
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"That statement of demands is not property of OWS.. I don’t know where they got hold of them but they are not from OWS."~JG
ReplyDeleteAre you stating that as fact or is it your opinion?
I am finding it hard to believe anyone knows what is going on here at all - and frankly I would prefer it that way as long as this movement keeps growing and more people become involved.
But as far as the 'Declaration' - my critique of it stands.
And if it turns out that it IS the real and the way this movement is going I will give a blow by blow reason why I have that criticism.
Now Deb, take a deep breath for crying out loud. If this ISN'T an OWS statement, then why do you care if I treat it harshly.
If it IS their statement - why do you attempt to distance from it unless you see it as unhelpful???
I don't get it.
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“the system as it stands” is moot because it aint gonna stand much longer."~Waldo
ReplyDeleteWell, that is the part I want to see, the tipping over.
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Good News then....I read the Union appeal last night...didn't know if they would get reinforcements there in time or not.
ReplyDeleteAmazing...it keeps going...wonderful...keep the system back-stepping. It is called retreat. Maybe we can get a surrender out of them.
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President Jackson's Veto Message Regarding the Bank of the United States; July 10, 1832
ReplyDeletehttp://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/ajveto01.asp
Let us not forget with whom we are "dealing with" in this System...
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“We’re a peaceful nation”, President Bush assured the world on 7th October 2001, announcing the assault on Afghanistan.
We know what they have done to Afghanistan, to Iraq, to Libya, to everyone they have brought their "Democracy" to...
I will say one more time - do not make deals with the devil. It is the system that we fight that is the devil...not any particular demon that speaks for it.
The whole world depends on the people of the US toppling this monster.
It MUST BE toppled, there is no alternative.
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Young lady? really? I wish. Anyway, my head is exactly where it should be. I'm just taking a more positive view of all this. I like that people are out in the streets and being non violent. I know it won't stay that way forever as I keep saying.
ReplyDeleteThe bastards will keep pushing but so far the kids are alright and holding their ground even with the fascist pig unit of the police force trying to beat them down.
See my next post on San Fran.
Will, I sent you the link to their website.. If you can find the demands there please let me know.
ReplyDeleteYes, this argument against the central private bank by Jackson is brilliant...well worth reading again.
ReplyDeleteI came across this first in the book THE COMING BATTLE, which is in fact the battle we are now in...and it is indeed grave.
All should read this argument by Jackson - understand who we are up against....
KNOW THINE ENEMY
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Thanks Deb...I have a positive view of the people in the streets.
ReplyDeleteI do I do...I am however grating against any silly compromises with the system...be they announcements by whomever I will remark on them...
I see that disinfo is flying like fruit at a lousy play...
Do you mind if I dis the disinfo...
I AM NO AGAINST THIS MOVEMENT
I am against it making premature mistakes in strategy.
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Deb,
ReplyDeleteSomeone ought to give Randy Anandroid a heads up to put a disclaimer on that "Declaration" she has up there on C2.
If it's phony baloney she should know.
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In October 2008, Columbia University, the US Department of State, Google, Howcast Media, and other media companies sponsored the inaugural Alliance of Youth Movements Summit. This event brought together digital activists, technology and media leaders, NGOs, and governments to convene, share best practices, and create a network of socially responsible grassroots activists using technology for their movements and campaigns. In March 2010, The Alliance for Youth Movements hosted its 3rd annual summit in London, which was sponsored by the UK Home Office and other media companies. At the end of the summit it was announced that the Alliance for Youth Movements was launching a new online hub for digital activism, Movements.org. In February 2011, Movements.org was officially launched and the Alliance for Youth Movements re-branded itself as Movements.org
ReplyDeletehttp://www.movements.org/blog/entry/occupy-everywhere-resource-guide/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRBaKvxSXvw
Well then, it seems there has been a reverse co-opt on the streets...Lol
ReplyDeleteThe guv [Movements.org] may have started this but we are going to end it.
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Repudiate the debt.
ReplyDeleteCrush the FED and charge them with treason.
Fire the entire Federal 'Government', charge them with treason.
Form a new government for the benefit and safety of the people.
Never forget what happened this last time.
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One more for the list above:
ReplyDeleteSmash 'Corporate Personhood', name the CEO’s as the “persons” and charge them with treason.
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It’s long since been time for the people to speak to this regime in DC in the language it understands—force. And now we have an engraved invitation to do so. The phony plot to kill the Saudi ambassador. Statesmanship involves turning lemons into lemonade. So we can stop talking. Instead, we can follow the rat lines in Iraq and Afghanistan back to their sources, and destroy them. We can strike at the syndicate of usurpers in DC, and weaken them. And we can hit the regime at every opportunity, and set it back.~ww [to paraphrase Kristol]
ReplyDelete"It’s long since been time for the United States to speak to this regime in the language it understands—force. And now we have an engraved invitation to do so. The plot to kill the Saudi ambassador was a lemon. Statesmanship involves turning lemons into lemonade. So we can stop talking. Instead, we can follow the rat lines in Iraq and Afghanistan back to their sources, and destroy them. We can strike at the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), and weaken them. And we can hit the regime’s nuclear weapons program, and set it back."`Wm Kristol
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"More diplomacy is not an adequate response."~FPI's executive director Jamie Fly
ReplyDeleteAnd we agree in kind...the time for talk is over, the regime in Washington DC must be crushed, and stand trial for treason against the people of the United States.
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Bill Kristol is a despicable megalomaniac "aroused" by bloodshed he concocts, designs, and sells into the minds of waiting like-minded MIC entities.
ReplyDeleteThus will this provision in its practical effect deprive the Eastern as well as the Southern and Western States of the means of raising a revenue from the extension of business and great profits of this institution. It will make the American people debtors to aliens in nearly the whole amount due to this bank, and send across the Atlantic from two to five millions of specie every year to pay the bank dividends.~Andrew Jackson 1832
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"Many people have asked, who is behind this declaration and plan of action? We are a group of college students and pro bono lawyers who met when the students got arrested in NYC. Since then, we have established an Occupy Wall Street "Working Group" to prepare a proposal to elect an Executive Committee for the purpose of organizing an election of a National General Assembly to vote on a formal petition of grievances. This is only a proposal and sample list of just demands on the government. Only a duly elected body can legitimize a list of demands from the People."
ReplyDeleteSo they are a "group"...without names, just a group...that's who they are. Good, I am glad to know so much about them...
Not to be cynical or anything so ogreish as that - but I want to know who the fuck these guys are. I don't see how co-opting the name Occupy Wall Street, and adding "working group" to it gives it any weight. That' just about as federal is to the Federal Reserve.
Furthermore, I don't like their attitude nor their plan for action. They have a few things backwards there.
and if this persists I will enumerate those.
For now, it should be ignored as much too premature.
Let the process of the swelling of the ranks proceed without this sort of dandy-boy bullshit.
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Yea...but we know their attitude and stance - and can throw that right back at them...
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The99PercentDeclaration - Who Are We....
ReplyDelete"In short, we believe that the time has come to harness the momentum of this movement and direct it at constructive goals to make change"
They want to "harness the momentum"...aye, and for what puny purpose?
>>"the foremost of which is getting money out of federal politics once and for all. All politicians in this country should immediately take a pledge to refuse all sources of private campaign contributions which we view as legalized bribery."
Not shutting down this insane system - not arresting these crooks in DC and trying them for treason, but attempting yet again to negotiate with the bastards.
I say bullshit - this is another attempt to corral that "momentum" and "harness" it for the benefit of the oligarchs...it is the same agenda as Movements.org - a USG PSYOP.
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Fpo, United States arrived 13 seconds ago....
ReplyDeleteNow that one bothers me. WTF is Fpo? Federal Police Offices?
Hmmm...????
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Fpo?? never saw that before.. that's weird and suspect. Feds PIssed Off? lol
ReplyDeleteFpo, Armed Forces Pacific landed on http://cotocrew.wordpress.com/page/6/?title=State_of_nationa...
ReplyDeleteI went to the feed page and got the above; west coast theater military.
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Do you know which story that is on COTO Deb?
ReplyDeleteFpo, Armed Forces Pacific landed on http://cotocrew.wordpress.com/page/6/?title=State_of_nationa..
WHAT? W coast theater military?? what is that?
ReplyDeleteYep, it's PD's Bleu Hawaii post from 5/22
ReplyDeletePart of NORCOM [Northern Command]
ReplyDeleteYou remember the vids of all the military equipment being railed to the west coast a couple months ago? Thousands of vehicles, mostly urban camo...
"Theater" is for 'Battle Theater' in military lingo.
Hey, I got bumped off here just a few minutes ago posting about this stuff...hmmm?
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How freakin strange to be visited by a military theater?? WHAT?? Internet battle theater, eh?
ReplyDeleteThat is one with a lot of Puddy's graft and calculations on it.
ReplyDeleteWoops...hitting some nerves.
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I am pretty suspicious that it could very well be...I think it is for sure some gov psyop...co-opt attempt.
ReplyDeleteThese guys need to identify themselves specifically and investigated for their contacts. Otherwise simply ignored and jeered.
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Ha ha ha...no they are in charge of west coast ops...that is their 'theater of operations'...but yea, it is a military computer...who knows who is at it or why. I imagine it's official though....
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Well, whattaya do? Hope COTO doesn't get whacked...
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Will, we know we will get whacked.. just don't know when..
ReplyDeleteWell when we do time to duck in the foxhole...
ReplyDeleteWonder what that fox will think about that duck in his hole???
"Mmmm Yummy" I guess.
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That list of demands IS phony as I stated previously. From wiki comes the info that I learned to be true by observing OWS daily....
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street
It seems the subverting is going on from groups trying to pretend they are representing OWS when they are in fact pushing their own agenda. OWS needs to keep reiterating they have no official set of demands at this time to avoid the political takeover of the movement..
yea yea yea...keep it amorphous that is the only way to grow this.
ReplyDeleteYou don't want to give an unformed child a test of intent even before it is out of the womb. Let it develop, get strong.
After all...we know that what is wrong is OBVIOUS...don't we?
Well, if it's obvious then the movement will just 'get it'..."don't have to say nothing, or move a muscle...oh, maybe you could whistle...you know how to whistle don't you?"~Lauren Bacall to Humpity Bogart
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The99Declaration@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteHere is my idea, DO NOT PRESENT YOURSELF AS AN OFFICIAL VOICE OF THE MOVEMENT.
IDENTIFY YOURSELVES IF YOU WANT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
~Willy Whitten