Thursday, November 11, 2010

Stiglitz: We Have To Throw Bankers In Jail Or The Economy Won't Recover

Here is a sentiment that will warm the hearts of most Americans for the Holidays -- Investigate and Incarcerate the criminal fraudsters, murderers, and other delinquents who are responsible for the current situation in America.  It seems to me that these sociopathic individuals should welcome long jail sentences and confiscation of all they have gained through crime and fraud -- at least they will remain Alive.  Americans are on-to-the-criminal cabal that has been running free in the land of the brave.  Time has run out.  Justice is demanded, and must be served.

The point of this piece below isn't a revelation of any sort to Americans, or peoples around the world who have been so deeply robbed of all that was most precious to them -- no, the point is WE ALL KNOW NOW!  THE PEOPLE DEMAND JUSTICE! What was done in the dark, is now revealed in the light, and WE WILL turn over all the furniture, examine every hard drive and off-shore bank account, ad infinitum, to get to the Truth of the Matter.  CRIME JUST STOPPED PAYING.  WE PROMISE YOU. The Real Americans always get the Bad Guys.  We owe it to our families, to posterity, to the rest of the World, to STOP THE MADNESS!!!

WE SEE YOU!




Stiglitz: We Have To Throw Bankers In Jail Or The Economy Won't Recover

By George Washington

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/11.10/jail.html

As economists such as William Black and James Galbraith have repeatedly said, we cannot solve the economic crisis unless we throw the criminals who committed fraud in jail.

And Nobel prize winning economist George Akerlof has demonstrated that failure to punish white collar criminals – and instead bailing them out- creates incentives for more economic crimes and further destruction of the economy in the future. See this, this and this.

Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz just agreed. As Stiglitz told Yahoo’s Daily Finance on October 20th:

This is a really important point to understand from the point of view of our society. The legal system is supposed to be the codification of our norms and beliefs, things that we need to make our system work. If the legal system is seen as exploitative, then confidence in our whole system starts eroding. And that’s really the problem that’s going on.

A lot of the predatory practices in automobile loans are going to be able to be continued. Why is it OK to engage in bad lending in automobiles and not in the mortgage market? Is there any principle? We all know the answer to that. No, there’s no principle. It’s money. It’s campaign contributions, lobbying, revolving door, all of those kinds of things.The system is designed to actually encourage that kind of thing, even with the fines [referring to former Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozillo, who recently paid tens of millions of dollars in fines, a small fraction of what he actually earned, because he earned hundreds of millions.].

I know so many people who say it’s an outrage that we had more accountability in the ’80’s with the S&L crisis than we are having today. Yeah, we fine them, and what is the big lesson? Behave badly, and the government might take 5% or 10% of what you got in your ill-gotten gains, but you’re still sitting pretty with your several hundred million dollars that you have left over after paying fines that look very large by ordinary standards but look small compared to the amount that you’ve been able to cash in.

So the system is set so that even if you’re caught, the penalty is just a small number relative to what you walk home with.

The fine is just a cost of doing business. It’s like a parking fine. Sometimes you make a decision to park knowing that you might get a fine because going around the corner to the parking lot takes you too much time.

I think we ought to go do what we did in the S&L [crisis] and actually put many of these guys in prison. Absolutely. These are not just white-collar crimes or little accidents. There were victims. That’s the point. There were victims all over the world.

So do we have any confidence that these guys who got us into the mess have really changed their minds? Actually we have pretty [good] confidence that they have not. I’ve seen some speeches where they said, "Nothing was really wrong. We didn’t get things quite right. But our understanding of the issues is pretty sound." If they think that, then we really are in a sorry mess.

There are many aspects of [deterring people from committing crime]. Economists focus on the whole notion of incentives. People have an incentive sometimes to behave badly, because they can make more money if they can cheat. If our economic system is going to work then we have to make sure that what they gain when they cheat is offset by a system of penalties.

And that’s why, for instance, in our antitrust law, we often don’t catch people when they behave badly, but when we do we say there are treble damages. You pay three times the amount of the damage that you do. That’s a strong deterrent. Unfortunately, what we’ve been doing now, and more recently in these financial crimes, is settling for fractions – fractions! – of the direct damage, and even a smaller fraction of the total societal damage. That is to say, the financial sector really brought down the global economy and if you include all of that collateral damage, it’s really already in the trillions of dollars.

But there’s a broader sense of collateral damage that I think that has not really been taken on board. And that is confidence in our legal system, in our rule of law, in our system of justice. When you say the Pledge of Allegiance you say, with "justice for all." People aren’t sure that we have justice for all. Somebody is caught for a minor drug offense, they are sent to prison for a very long time. And yet, these so-called white-collar crimes, which are not victimless, almost none of these guys, almost none of them, go to prison.

Let me give you another example of where the legal system has gotten very much out of whack, and which contributed to the financial crisis.

In 2005, we passed a bankruptcy reform. It was a reform pushed by the banks. It was designed to allow them to make bad loans to people to who didn’t understand what was going on, and then basically choke them. Squeeze them dry. And we should have called it, "the new indentured servitude law." Because that’s what it did.

Let me just tell you how bad it is. I don’t think Americans understand how bad it is. It becomes really very difficult for individuals to discharge their debt. The basic principle in the past in America was people should have the right for a fresh start. People make mistakes. Especially when they’re preyed upon. And so you should be able to start afresh again. Get a clean slate. Pay what you can and start again. Now if you do it over and over again that’s a different thing. But at least when there are these lenders preying on you should be able to get a fresh start.

But they [the banks] said, "No, no, you can’t discharge your debt," or you can’t discharge it very easily.

This is indentured servitude.

And we criticize other countries for having indentured servitude of this kind, bonded labor. But in America we instituted this in 2005 with almost no discussion of the consequences. But what it did was encourage the banks to engage in even worse lending practices.

The banks want to pretend that they did not make bad loans. They don’t want to come into reality. The fact that they were very instrumental in changing the accounting standards, so that loans that are impaired where people are not paying back what they owe, are treated as if they are just as good as a well-performing mortgage.

So the whole strategy of the banks has been to hide the losses, muddle through and get the government to keep interest rates really low.

The result of this is, as long as we keep up this strategy, it’s going to be a long time before the economy recovers ....

www.businessinsider.com

67 comments:

  1. okay. i'm in. i cannot resist straight talk!

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  2. "This is indentured servitude."~Stiglitz

    Yes, debt slavery.

    Stiglitz is pretty big time...this story is getting legs.
    Where it goes from here is how long until the next SHOCK AND AWE, because the fucks running things ain't gonna take this going to jail crap laying down.

    The law of the barn; Never corner a rat unless you got the means to kill it.

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  3. Problem is: The rule of law doesn't apply to the rich...want proof?

    Wealth manager to rich to prosecute for hit and run.

    EAGLE, Colorado — A financial manager for wealthy clients will not face felony charges for a hit-and-run because it could jeopardize his job, prosecutors said Thursday.

    Martin Joel Erzinger, 52, faces two misdemeanor traffic charges stemming from a July 3 incident when he allegedly hit bicyclist Dr. Steven Milo from behind then sped away, according to court documents.

    http://www.vaildaily.com/article/20101104/NEWS/101109939/1078&ParentProfile=1062

    Erzinger, an Arrowhead homeowner, is a director in private wealth management at Morgan Stanley Smith Barney in Denver. His biography on Worth.com states that Erzinger is “dedicated to ultra high net worth individuals, their families and foundations.”

    Erzinger manages more than $1 billion in assets. He would have to publicly disclose any felony charge within 30 days, according to North American Securities Dealers regulations.

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    You want justice? You're gonna have to 'bring it' yourselves.

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  4. Yea...about a billion gets you the impunity card.

    Nah...it won't fly in the courts...nowhere from within the system. It has to come from the outside...and we be stymied, and pinned in the box after the 'kill jar'.
    That's how they collect bugs.

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  5. I still anticipate some shock and awe in the hear term...

    Then we'll really see the chickens running around without their heads.

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  6. So the premise being that those guilty of crimes should be punished? In other news - steak is expensive.

    As Rogue & Obtuse have elucidated quite succinctly, there are different laws for the elite in our society.

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  7. So...speakin' of the devil;

    No charges in CIA tape destroying case

    No charges will be filed against the CIA's former top clandestine officer or anyone else in the destruction of CIA videotapes of harsh interrogations of suspected terrorists, the US Justice Department has announced.
    ***************
    All their porno was destroyed before it could get a "FOI"...ah, the clever basssturbs...

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  8. Hye...I gotta idea...call yer congressman.


    Har har har...

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  9. Mr. Obtuse -- you point out the background details on this Mr. Erzinger, a hit-and-run driver on a Doctor, who is getting a "get-out-of-jail-free" card because rich folks might lose some of their money if the "criminal" manager of their funds has to face up to his responsibilities...

    1) So we see here (again), an elite protected by cronies and clients, and a crooked judge, and a bought judicial system. This ain't new(s).
    2) I notice you posted the details of this man and his alleged crime right out here in the middle of the World-Wide Web! So much for keeping this thing hush-hush, huh?
    3) What is the tolerance level for this kind of B.S. by the "normal" hard-working Joes who get locked up for plenty-o-days because they drank a bit much to ease the pain of their poor lives that suck bigtime because they keep getting exploited by well-connected rich motherfucks like this asshole? Know what I mean?

    "Your sins will find you out". It is an old quote. We'll just call it a proverb because it sounds like an unalterable truism.

    I don't know what the Rogue 1 is saying by alluding to the "kill jar", because I see humanity about to Bust-at-the-Seams and do a French Revolution on the shylocks that have been partying at everyone's expense. Seriously. S-o-m-e-o-n-e is going to repay with vengeance.

    The elites may try and start another war to deflect attention from their ongoing scams, but EARTHLINGS aren't interested in killing a bunch of people in a foreign or friendly land because some ShitFace on TV tells them they should. All the Master Sargeant types and grunts like Tom Murphy oughta weigh in here as well. The Game is Over!

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  10. Call him what? I usually just say, sueiiiiiiiii.....

    By the by, Mr Rogue, what's your opinion regarding when we might experience a tipping point in the ole USA. Both right and left seem pretty pissed and the shit is certainly piling up fast. How long before stuff starts blowing up and people start dying?

    My sense is, the peeps know we're at war with our own government. How long before it becomes truly evident? Love to hear some predictions.

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  11. CZ -- I agree there is a double standard. I also emphatically state that just because it never rained on the earth, a flood isn't going to come to clean the toilet bowl.

    So, you're saying the well-connected and elite can expect to pretty much get off scot-free from whatever depraved actions they conjure up in their sick minds and act out? I'm just going to have to say that you'll see things take care of themselves. Might will not always make right. I view humanity as passive-aggressive. From my own background in sports, I wasn't the biggest dude on the field or court. But I was the fastest, the quickest, the most "aware" of what was going on around. When I chose the time...people would get "beat", they would "pay" for their indiscretions and inattention. They didn't know when, and they would never know where it was coming from, but they could count on getting beat when it mattered most. That is what I'm saying about Humanity and Joe American. They're coming 'round to the dirty "game" that keeps them on the sidelines and the glamour-boys stealing their girls and gains. Its a karma thing. And I guess you have given in to being "beat". Please state otherwise if I misunderstand.

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  12. You'd think the war would be well under way by now, but alas, even though the peeps are finally figuring out that there's two justice systems in the USA, I'm not sure they'll do anything about it until they have to. Like when they start starving en mass.

    As long as they can buy groceries, the revolution will be delayed. In the peeps defense, they're a lot more pissed off than I've ever seen 'em. Check the main stream blogs and you'll see what I mean.

    Getting a few murders a day in my own town, where it use to be an infrequent event. On second thought....maybe the revolution is already here.

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  13. That's why we could use a few more "Dexter" types out in the real world.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0773262/

    Favorite show of misanthropes everywhere.

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  14. You're hearing it now, O. I suppose I should ask it to you like this -- how many times are YOU going to bend over for another asshole who screws you? Financially, job-wise, harms your family...whatever the case may be. WHEN will you determine that it is time to unleash holy hell on the perpetrator?

    Americans see that their judicial system is broken and corrupted to the core. The police, the politicians, the very freaking people who owe you a fiduciary responsibility give you the finger! There's some good people, sure, but the "system" is diseased through and through. Can't save that can you? Frankenstein was a mutant monster and THAT is what we have allowed the psycho doctors to create.

    Now, humanity has to deal with it.

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  15. I certainly have a lot of on-going fantasies of the Joe Stack sort.

    But for right now, my only release is bitching on blogs like this.

    Want to start a militia?

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  16. A 'Kill Jar' is just your standard mason jar with a cake of cyanide in the bottom.
    Bug collectors use them for butterflies and beetles, etceetrains.
    The speciment is then--once pronouced dead and all the papers are given an obit notice--it is mounted on a card with a straightpin through the mid section. Collections were often kept in cigar boxes...yea, the kind Bill Clinton uses for his hoes {not to be confused with rakes that make scrachie sounds on the pavement}

    Five 'll getcha ten kids can't buy kill jars anymore...n'less yer and Eagle Scout.

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  17. O,

    When they kill social security the tides shall rise.

    Rattaronda corner..

    Dats when me whistle blows, Toot-Toot,,,allye board?

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  18. I appreciate your response. We are witnessing a standard progression of events. Historically, this thing is as old as the history of mankind. Apparently...no one seems to learn from history, so they keep repeating it. Damn the stupidity!

    Are we not seeing the following: a small cabal or cliche obtains power via some methodology (usually illegal, fraudulent, and secretive). The power corrupts them. Absolutely. These "people" rise into positions throughout the kingdom of man, apparently "above it all" and oddly "blessed" among the common state of mankind. This elite class get arrogantly brazen, sloppy, and tyrannical. They achieved their position by being sneaky, sly, and totally sociopathic -- now, they are just psychotically sociopathic. And they don't realize they have achieved the Ultimate Position of Emperors -- they are naked and have no clothes...and are seen for what they are, as despicable horrific mutants, diseased of mind and bereft of soul.

    Such is the case of Mr. George W. Bush. He recently published his own "book" stating within that he took responsibility for the Torture of supposed innocents during his "Reign". OOPS!!! He is so out of touch with humanity, no doubt schooled by his demon father, that he has no idea of the crimes he committed as Commander-in-Chief! A pity. But, a predictable one for this class of reptilians.

    Get my drift? The room is getting smaller every day for these inhumane sociopaths. From Joe American to the Military men who served proudly thinking they were supporting their Country and Families (We Salute You on this Day). Many, who may only now be discovering they were sent on a Fool's Errand by men who got rich and increased their personal power off of the cannon fodder's sacrifices. May their anger be directional and focused and well thought out. Consider your experiences, and the slaughter you were implored to enact. Cui Bono? Who benefited? It is time that soldiers and citizens "THINK", before acting. Thinking has always been one of man's best assets.

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  19. Want to start a militia?"~O

    Uhh...I thought we just did..

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  20. Sure, the ole "poison jar". I understood the kill and display act...I just didn't get who you were saying was getting pinned like an insect?

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  21. You on a caffine amp tonight Boomer?
    If you were nearby I'd offer a ride on me bong.

    The trick is ice..ya cool the water with ice and keep the bong frijeedated till time to toky alamoky.

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  22. A militia is to protect the "decent" people around you from harm. It is about time everybody steps up and volunteers to get on board this Train. The only other train is the Black Train which leads to the Smokestacks behind the KBR barbedwire hotels built with American's tax monies. Lordy! Some years ago, this would have sounded bizarre, except NOW it makes complete sense. Surreal. Time to GET REAL!

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  23. "Oh shit, I’m in trouble now."~O

    Cuz yer weef reads the boards?

    or cuz spooks read the boards.

    I grando teeya the boards are probably so swamped with this type of OK Corral jango that their heads be spinoidal.

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  24. Oops...make that Lara Croft--tombraider, not Laura Croft--the Playboy bunny.

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  25. Why do this pg go wacky when you post the 3rd answ to a post...the whole left side is lost here.

    Heyelp heyelp I kaintsee da hoe page....

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  26. I ask you all...do you have a sense of when someone, something is "stalking" you? Something is hunting you, poisoning, weakening you...waiting until you are too weak to fight back?

    Take in all that we talk about here, and bring to your attention. Process the information that you glean from financial sites...look at the world around you, take the "pulse" of people, sniff the wind, put your ear to the ground, take a good look at your life, at your bank account, at the corrupt shit that engulfs every last vestige of what was once considered "pillars" of a progressive, free, and morally strong country? That's right. You were tricked and duped. Now...we all have to face reality. It IS a bitch.

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  27. It is about time everybody steps up and volunteers to get on board this Train."~Boom

    You see my dear Watson, its elementry; the peeps izzasleeps cause they been sippin' that TV Cool-Aid. Ya simply need a certain quota of volly tears, like at least one other person.

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  28. Thought I might get in trouble for being a bit sexist.

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  29. just like with the airport scanner and pat-down porn, ya gotta stop going there.

    i have been boycotting the airlines for years. i am going to close my checking account and start using money orders or cash to pay my bills. i recommend everyone start doing that. we need to be faster on the draw with boycott.

    i used the atm recently. i rarely do that but i needed $20 in cash for cash-only chinese takeout. i was not near my own bank so i used a different one. that bank charged me $3 for the transaction. i knew that would be the case but it was convenient. however, my OWN bank charged me a $5 fee to withdraw $20 of my own money. all together i paid $8 to take out $20 that belonged to me. 40%. 25% fee on $20 from my bank. that did it for me. that and reading that banks and credit unions might start charging everyone a 1% fee for all services, including to deposit and withdraw.

    i consider that if i continue to give the airlines or banks my money i am guilty of normalizing the unthinkable. god forbid i should be in that majority.

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  30. Boomer, I think you mistake my facetious response regarding the article as representing some fatalistic attitude. Although it can appear that many get away with their crimes, I also believe there is a cosmic justice that cleans up all inequities in the end.

    2 of my favorite quotes come to mind:

    "the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice" - MLK

    "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall - think of it, always." - Mahatma Gandhi

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  31. Oh yea Boom pusha comta shove--agitation tension rod is pokey even the resin brain by now.

    That's why I think a shockinaw is upta road a piece like highwaymen.

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  32. Wow Arch, whatta crazy story about getting that pizza..insane.

    I just know my checking amount for each month and only leave that much in, keep the rest in Cash and fast cars. So my ballance is close to nothing.

    NO no no never planes. Never again to an airport go I.

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  33. And I don't even own a teevula.

    haven't had one in a quarter century

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  34. “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall – think of it, always.” – Mahatma Gandhi

    I take issue with that quote. That is not what I see throughout history at all.

    There have been tyrants and murderers running the show forever.
    Only a short blip of Camelot from 1776 to 1871, for the western world.
    What did Gandhi achieve? India is as much a 'democracy' as the US has...
    which means it isn't. It has been a plutocracy all along..no matter how soft the police state seemed to the middle class.

    I'm not dissing your spiritual...but that is personal--not societal.

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  35. Make that Laura Croft ala Angelina Joli for me...yum.

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  36. From a Chris hedges article: "Calling All Rebels"

    "There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop," Mario Savio said in 1964. "And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all."

    The capacity to exercise moral autonomy, the capacity to refuse to cooperate, offers us the only route left to personal freedom and a life with meaning. Rebellion is its own justification. Those of us who come out of the religious left have no quarrel with Camus. Camus is right about the absurdity of existence, right about finding worth in the act of rebellion rather than some bizarre dream of an afterlife or Sunday School fantasy that God rewards the just and the good. "Oh my soul," the ancient Greek poet Pindar wrote, "do not aspire to immortal life, but exhaust the limits of the possible." We differ with Camus only in that we have faith that rebellion is not ultimately meaningless. Rebellion allows us to be free and independent human beings, but rebellion also chips away, however imperceptibly, at the edifice of the oppressor and sustains the dim flames of hope and love. And in moments of profound human despair these flames are never insignificant. They keep alive the capacity to be human. We must become, as Camus said, so absolutely free that "existence is an act of rebellion." Those who do not rebel in our age of totalitarian capitalism and who convince themselves that there is no alternative to collaboration are complicit in their own enslavement. They commit spiritual and moral suicide.

    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/08-2

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  37. ..."worry about may be much less a barrier to near term neoconservative foreign policy ambitions than might be imagined.~"McConnell

    There is the central problem right there; McConnell and these other neoconmen are delusional or psychotic...they won't GET AWAY WITH just shock and awe with Iran...the military--the sane section at least--understands this.

    Hit Iran--Iran hits Israel--world war three. It's that simple.

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  38. Thanks for the link to “Calling All Rebels”, Meester O

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  39. Don't know about yer philosophy there, Willy. Seems like if you're willing to give up your freedom to avoid a confrontation, then the terrorists might have won already.

    Not sure what I'm going to do yet when they ask to rub my pole, but I don't plan on keeping silent about it. There's gotta be an alternative. Maybe some razor blades in me underpants. I'm sure you guyz have some ideas....

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  40. You must be reading something into my philosophy that just isn't there.

    I'm in the starting blocks waiting for the starter pistol to go off.

    But I'm telling you; that starter pistol is going to be some manifestation of 'Shock and Awe'...........itaint we but them's gonna start this thing.

    They are brewing it that way...the slightest peeps out of the peeps and a big slambooy.
    Once there is blood in the streets, there will be some pissed off yahoodie and some payback allarootie.

    Sleep in yer boots comradios.

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  41. We have a roadmap...a huge atlas. It is called history. Our children, and theirs will live in MAD MAX WORLD...total Thunder Dome mayhem...IF we are lucky. The real possibility of nuclear wasteland and a second Mars in the system is a real potential as well.
    At this point I can't see how we are to avoid global war in the fairly near future. Anyone who understands the practical repercussions of this, that once it is started, it escalates and will finally go full ahead nuclear.

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  42. Puddy -- whattaya know about these "sonic booms" in NC?

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=187249

    Also...I have had some frustrating experiences the last hour trying to post some replies. 3X I wrote lengthy posts and they disappeared into the "ether" with an error msg.

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  43. That O-be-Wan...was nutritional grist for the gizzard. We'll internalize it at a later date, and derive energy from its density.

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  44. Aye there, Arcadia. Go look at www.kitco.com. See that HUGE - negative slap on gold and silver? Go buy yourself a 1 ounce silver eagle or some equivalent pre-1964 90% silver coins at your local coin shop. In a month or so, you'll have made 20% or more on your investment. If the SOB's are still "allowed" to subvert Real money, you can hang on to it and rest assured that it will double, triple, quadruple, freaking skyrocket as Bernanke's QE2 counterfeiting operation goes balls-to-the-wall.

    I ain't a prophet. Consider this information historical. Go to www.321gold.com or www.silverbearcafe.com or www.silverseek.com, or where-ever you want to get the low down. www.dailyreckoning.com will straighten you out too. Cheers! You can share your profits with me at a later date...

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  45. Somewhere...Sanity Reigns. We must find that place or create it ourselves -- or we are left with the insanity that surrounds us.

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  46. It is time to get back to the point of this thread:

    Ultimately...Crime is going to get you incarcerated for a long time or dead.

    That is the lesson to impress upon the sumgums who think they're smarter, sleeker, more oily and untouchable, perhaps freaking righteous megalomaniacs, whatever, fucksticks -- you're going down into the ground.

    Cutting a deal will be the new method of getting 30 years in a "bad" place with pink tattoos on your face and butt saying you gave it, now you'll take it. Tough Times for sure.

    {Of course, this message is sanitized for children under 18yrs old, the uninformed, the illiterate, the mystic and your attorney}

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  47. Get ye a sped hat and a bandanny and tell'm,
    "the Shadow knows"...

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  48. “Those in power have disarmed the liberal class. They do not argue that the current system is just or good, because they cannot, but they have convinced liberals that there is no alternative. But we are not slaves. We have a choice. We can refuse to be either a victim or an executioner. We have the moral capacity to say no, to refuse to cooperate. Any boycott or demonstration, any occupation or sit-in, any strike, any act of obstruction or sabotage, any refusal to pay taxes, any fast, any popular movement and any act of civil disobedience ignites the soul of the rebel and exposes the dead hand of authority. "There is beauty and there are the humiliated," Camus wrote. "Whatever difficulties the enterprise may present, I should like never to be unfaithful either to the second or the first."

    I believe we have finally breached the tipping point in the socio-political landscape of the United States of America. There will be no going back from here. Everyone on all levels of society including the elites must make a choice. Will you stand for real reform and an end of the feudalistic rule of the oligarchs and their paid-off puppets that line the streets of Washington D.C., or will you keep your mouth shut and play the old and dying game in the context of a completely different cultural environment?

    While many will disagree with what I am about to say, I believe the oligarchs and the Federal Reserve have already lost."~Tyler Durden

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  49. thank you, captain, for the golden tip. i will take a look. wish i had done so a few years ago.

    i will not hold you to your predictions. but when the price skyrockets i will remember who set me upon that path and will happily share my good fortune with you.

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  50. Y'all realize of course what this means...Israel is still swinging by our nuts by its teeth...and more arms ans the chances for wider war increase exponentially each day.>>


    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/150517.html

    The United States has planned to expand its military aid to the Israeli regime over the next two years, adding smart bombs to the new supply list.
    US Congress approved a boost of $400 million worth of additional military equipment for Tel Aviv last month, Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz reported on Thursday.

    The fresh aid package will bring the value of American military equipment stockpiled in Israel to $1.2 billion by 2012.

    The type of equipment stockpiled in Israel is determined through dialogue between the Israeli military and the US Army's European Command.

    It is believed that a great deal of the equipment will include “precision weapons” launched from air, according to the Israeli paper.

    Israeli Army Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi said earlier this week that Tel Aviv would need 'much more precision weaponry' for future wars.

    The agreement between Washington and Tel Aviv includes conditions under which the Israeli military may use what is officially labeled as US equipment. This has led to speculations as to whether the US military stockpiles in Israel are in fact meant for the Israeli regime."

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  51. There is Karmic justice, God justice should you believe in that kind of accounting, and present reality justice. In many cases, the criminals escape. Look at Kissinger walking around, Bush Sr,Jr., the Clintons, Greenspan, Paulson, Robert Gates, Feith, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Dimon, the list is very long currently. I'm saying "people" and perhaps they'll get some supernatural assistance, are going to clean up this shit can. Folks are a hair-trigger away from going Postal on Bankers, Politicians, and the like.

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  52. Insane psychopaths should know they can't trust each other. Whatta epiphany it would be for the U.S. leadership to find out, that Israel has a good portion of their weapons pointed at America?

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  53. Whatta epiphany it would be for the U.S. leadership to find out, that Israel has a good portion of their weapons pointed at America?"~Boom

    They already have--its called the Samson Option--nuclear blackmail, since the late 60s this has been part of the deal.
    Don't doubt, with the redundancy of weapons the US has, that it has its nukes targeting friends and foe alike.
    The thinking of the people that run this kind of shit-head biz is total blitzo crazed.
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  54. It is 11:15am Friday, and the spot price for Gold is -$30.00 with Silver being off $1.31! That's called a "DIP" or buying opportunity if you are dollar-cost-averaging. It is also a sign of the manipulation going on in the markets. It started last night when the U.S. market was closed, and has progressed to this point at this time.

    For some interesting insights and predictions for 2011, read this piece by Roger Wiegand, found at Kitco.

    http://www.kitco.com/ind/Wieg_cor/roger_nov112010.html

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  55. Thanks for putting a name on it. I was just making a point. It is easy to surmise that gangsters and pirates of this ilk are only interested in the $$$ made on "transactions" (read -- jobs, heists, flim flams). The Israeli's played a very large part in 9/11. The "aid" that is directed towards this insane Khazar state, coming from American's pocket books is unbelievable. Most Americans walk in the dark about what is done to them, and what is done in their name to others. It is one fucked up operation that is running in this world.

    No doubt, the players big and small are alpha-bat whacked psychos.

    This guy here is onto the Scam being perpetrated upon the People:

    http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=187284

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  56. WHAT????
    Gold at $30.00 with Silver being off $1.31!
    11:15am Friday...what year? 1910?

    Somebody's pullin' your wango Boom.

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  57. More proof that US courts only serve the rich. Jacksonville homeowners are being thrown out of their houses at the rate of one every three minutes....


    Matt Taibbi: Courts Helping Banks Screw Over Homeowners
    Retired judges are rushing through complex cases to speed foreclosures in Florida

    The foreclosure lawyers down in Jacksonville had warned me, but I was skeptical. They told me the state of Florida had created a special super-high-speed housing court with a specific mandate to rubber-stamp the legally dicey foreclosures by corporate mortgage pushers like Deutsche Bank and JP Morgan Chase. This "rocket docket," as it is called in town, is presided over by retired judges who seem to have no clue about the insanely complex financial instruments they are ruling on — securitized mortgages and laby rinthine derivative deals of a type that didn't even exist when most of them were active members of the bench. Their stated mission isn't to decide right and wrong, but to clear cases and blast human beings out of their homes with ultimate velocity. They certainly have no incentive to penetrate the profound criminal mysteries of the great American mortgage bubble of the 2000s, perhaps the most complex Ponzi scheme in human history — an epic mountain range of corporate fraud in which Wall Street megabanks conspired first to collect huge numbers of subprime mortgages, then to unload them on unsuspecting third parties like pensions, trade unions and insurance companies (and, ultimately, you and me, as taxpayers) in the guise of AAA-rated investments. Selling lead as gold, shit as Chanel No. 5, was the essence of the booming international fraud scheme that created most all of these now-failing home mortgages.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/232611?RS_show_page=0

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  58. America’s Devolution Into Dictatorship...

    Matt Taibbi: Courts Helping Banks Screw Over Homeowners...

    Well anyone who is surprised that this system is going full guns to wipe the people out has been daydreaming for many years.

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  59. http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21867

    America’s Devolution Into Dictatorship

    “This same Justice (sic) Department, which routinely frames and railroads the innocent, argued in Federal Court on November 8 that the US government, if approved by the president, could murder anyone it wishes, citizens or non-citizens, at will. All that is required is that the government declare, without evidence, charges, trial, jury conviction or any of the due process required by the US Constitution, that the government suspects the murdered person or persons to be a “threat.”

    The US Justice (sic) Department even told US Federal District Court Judge John Bates that the US judiciary, formerly a co-equal branch of government, has absolutely no legal authority whatsoever to stick its nose into President “Change” Obama’s decision to assassinate Americans. The unaccountability of the president’s decision to murder people is, the US Justice (sic) Department declared, one of “the very core powers of the president as commander in chief.”

    The argument by the Justice (sic) Department that the executive branch has unreviewable authority to kill Americans, whom the executive branch has unilaterally, without presenting evidence, determined to pose a threat, was challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center For Constitutional Rights.

    The outcome of the case will determine whether the neoconservative and Israeli stooge, president George W. Bush, was correct when he said that the US Constitution was nothing but a “scrap of paper.”

    It is my opinion that the American people and the US Constitution haven’t much chance of winning this case. The Republican Federalist Society has succeeded in appointing many federal district, appeals and supreme court judges, who believe that the powers of
    the executive branch are superior to the powers of the legislature and judiciary. The Founding Fathers of our country declared unequivocally that the executive, legislative, and judicial branches were co-equal, However, the Republican brownshirts who comprise the Federalist Society have implanted the society’s demonic ideology in the federal bench and Justice (sic) Department. Today the erroneous belief is widespread that the executive branch is supreme and that the other branches of government are less than equal.

    If Americans have a greater enemy than neoconservatives, that enemy is the Federalist Society.”

    [Yes the Federalist Society, based on the traitor Hamilton's “implied powers” is what drives the US towards the full blown dictatorship.~ww]

    “Today in Amerika, approximately 25 years later, the ACLU has to go to federal court in order to attempt to affirm that “if the Constitution means anything, it surely means that the president does not have unreviewable authority to summarily execute any American whom he concludes is an enemy of the state.

    If the Obama Regime wins this case, the US will have become a dictatorship.

    As far as I can tell, the “liberal media” and most Americans do not care.
    Indeed, conservative Republicans are cheering it on.”~Roberts
    ************>
    By all sane observation the US is already a dictatorship and a police state...but this case will codify it.~ww

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  60. You misunderstood Rogue 1 -- It is now 1:25PM EST, and gold just "fell" -$45.00 in today's trading session. Silver is negative - $1.72.

    These are Whopping sell offs. Read -- entry points.

    YEAHHH -- give me gold at $30 bucks an ounce, and I'll sell YOUR house to buy some.

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  61. You are correct Rogue1. We can also note, that when the Bush/Cheney pRezidency saw "torture" as a legal activity, and Obomba is O.K. with it (as well as many Americans -- 'cause those foreigners are "bad" and "dangerous", and they smell too!) as well -- the writing and meaning of CHANGE was written upon the wailing wall.

    The homeland and world just became a much more dangerous place to live. Progress -- you bet!

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  62. Ahhh...gotcha

    But these bumps happen...Plunge Protection Team activities.
    I did gold for years--this is NOT uncommon unless it becomes a spiral--and it won't until the new world currency deal is established.
    Gold will hit at least $3,000.00 pr oz before the squish.
    Probably more on the order of $10,000.00 an oz while wheel barrels of cash are needed for a potato.

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  63. if you have ANY spare change buy gold now, if you can't do that get silver. DO IT.
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  64. A necessary condition for bringing down the rulers is to weaken and eventually dismantle their propaganda campaign.

    How best to achieve this objective? By fully uncovering the lies behind the "war on terrorism" and revealing the complicity of the US administration in the events of 9/11.

    This is a big hoax, it’s the biggest lie in US history. The war pretext does not stick and the rulers should be removed.

    Moreover, it is important to show that "Enemy Number One" (Osama bin Laden) is fabricated.
    ~Michel Chossudovsky

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  65. ARIEL'S VEGITABLE STAND

    | numb nuts only 50c pr lb |


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  66. Bust the Propaganda organs?! Whaaah?!

    There's too much shiny stuff to buy. There's too much plastic shit to purchase at Wallyworld. Why, we've got electronics gizmos coming out all of our kid's ears, and out our arses, and there's more to consume, consume, consume!

    Resume consuming y'all! ...chow, chow, burp, fart, gimme another Big Gulp of that toxic Mountain Dew Stew wudja?!

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  67. Yup it's true Boom, the disconnect from reality by the greater portion of Amerika is complete. It's a Looney Circus.

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