"In a day where townhalls, dominated by the right wingers whose candidates lost bellowed loudly, a new level of craziness develops. Local cops gone wild allow a gun displaying man to remain on a presidential route. My take. FBI should cuff the SOB."
"And CNN keeps playing a tape of a 35 year old woman at aSpecter town hallsaying she doesn't want the US to become socialist like Russia. She is a blithering idiot, parrotting the Glen Becks and Rush LImbaughs of the right. Why doesn't Specter ask them if they'd like medicare ended, the police departments shut down and replaced by blackwater, the fire departments privatized and put on an optional, pay as you go service?" Oped-news
HELLO ROB ! In New Hampshire you can still carry a gun as the second amendment dictates. I know that bothers the gonzo left to no end,but thats the facts, Jack. So Rob, if I have hands does that mean I am going to punch You ? I have feet so I am going to kick You ? With the union thugs out beating the opposition I can understand why the man carried a gun and he was not harrased by anyone now, was he ?
The progressive fascist movement is transparently irrelevant. The sleeping giant of moderates is awakening. Obama got his Water Restoration Act and his carbon-tax,but this Obamacare is going to bust the festering wound of corporatism wide open.We arent going to shoot You Rob,its much more fun to watch You twist in the Martian wind.
Not a good idea to mention Rob by name, nor to personalize the information so as to direct an attack his way.
ReplyDeleteWe need to let the wound heal or we will scar ourselves.
Just my opinion, but I'm not about to entrust the safety of a duly-elected public official to an open interpretation of the Second Amendment...IOW, if the President shows up, all firearms within range are verbotten.
I'd have said the same thing about Dubya, and I hate that man with a passion -- nor do I believe he was ever duly elected.
OTOH, if you show up to a Presidential Rally and you don't use your weapon, you had no business bringing it in the first place.
The people most likely to confront you in the "Rally" scenario would be within arm's reach and if you know how to use a weapon, you SHOULD know how to readily disarm someone who gets that close to you with their's.
Again, what's the point of having a firearm in a crowd unless there's an armed insurrection going on and its battle-stations?
Sorry, I replied in the wrong box.
ReplyDeleteDarn it Kornisking, you jumped on Rob at the same time I am about to!
ReplyDeleteRob claims he has worked his poor little fingers to the bone pushing for socialism, or as he sees it healthcare reform when in reality he probably never even read the law he is pushing. Like a mindless robot puppet of the left, Rob is perfectly willing to help destroy this nation- after all, he is one of those traitor progressive liberals. The man knows nothing of constitutional law and probably could not care less so long as he can get others to pay his way like he does on OEN. The man is a parasite.
Theres plenty for everyone ! Go for it. The first one he answers directly with progressive whining is the winner.
ReplyDeleteRob Kall's take: "FBI should cuff the SOB.”
ReplyDeleteApparently Rob Kall has no respect for law abiding Americans exercising their rights according to the law.
Rob says lock him up just for being there with a gun. Screw Rob Kall! Too bad we can't have him locked up for being a traitor to all that is American! Maybe his day is coming...
And KornisKing, all Rob Kall is is a whiner. It is all we hear from him. He is never satisfied or happy, but I guess that is how it goes when everyone around him abandons his sorry ass! I think Rady said his girlfriend dumped him. His wife left him long ago, and so the only thing Rob has left is to harass real Americans for his NWO masters as an internet thug bully.
I think only once, I advocated a Kall posting. I am so diametrically opposed to his politics that I can believe he is a figment of some Fabians imagination.
ReplyDeleteThe old woman at Specter townhall should have said, "I don't want the US to become socialist like Canada or as corrupt as Russia."
But it is----
Rob can come freely and comment here. It is better than he gave us. Rob is fair game like any other publishing pundit, advocate or shill. I wish we were critiquing more of the OPED, HUFF, KOS nonsense.
ReplyDeleteStill won't put down that left-right ducky, eh?
ReplyDeleteThe who bawl about "socialism" would be a whole lot more credible if they actually HAD ANY IDEA of what it IS... but they don't.
How do I know? Because serious readers and scholars of socialism and Marxian theory are unsure. It's fairly agreed that socialism is collective control of the means of production. The definition and delineation of the "collective" is the slippery part. And what are the "means of production" in this case? And to what extent is "control?"
It is not "ownership," because ownership of the means of production is "communism." Instead, why not have some fun and read all 1018 pages of the proposed text of HR 3200?
http://seekingalpha.com/article/149225-first-read-of-house-health-care-reform-act-h-r-3200
Go ahead... I'll wait. Or there's a summary opinion here: http://seekingalpha.com/article/149225-first-read-of-house-health-care-reform-act-h-r-3200
Instead of reading mindless parroted hack phrases like "traitor progressive liberals" loping in circles around the inboard knuckles, it would be refreshing and informative to see a well-constructed critique of the issue itself.
By the way, those who blow the word "fascist" out on second and "socialist" the next... their credibility drops to near-zero. Much of this sounds like "...if I get it, it's because I WORKED for it... if "they" get it, they're parasites."
Now it takes is "...the Nazis were National SOCIALISTS..." to tell the informed reader they would learn more from a soup can.
The Nazi cover was national socialism,they were indeed fascist,or in the words of Mussolini "corporatists". And according to the dinosaur Conyers, "you need two lawyers to understand the bill", I am no lawyer but if the establishment wants it I dont. You are being argumentative as usual,Waldo. We are kicking fake progressives here. Join in the fun or stuff a sock in it.
ReplyDeleteYou got that right Korn. Kall is as fake a progressive as markos melitos. Maybe Kall is cia as well. Who cares. I'm with Patrick. I despise the man and his vapid politics.
ReplyDeleteReal progressives don't back corporatists. BO is not only going foward with Bush's fascist policies, he's expanding them AND his wars.
Yep. Estate Corporativo, Fascism.
ReplyDeleteKall thinks he"supports" H.R. 3200 “America’s Affordable Health Choices Act" because it's the Demmerkrittik Parti... fancies himself a "realpolitik" and "roots" for his "team" along with Lesser partei tubers.
If you follow da money though... it's da Fats that don't like it: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/weekinreview/14abelson.html?_r=1
...and if the Korpo-porkers are agin it... it MIGHT just be a good idea.
OK... sock in hand... here I go. Bash-fests are boring.
For all we know Kall could be working for them?
ReplyDeleteSo whether these people at these town hall meetings are Democrat or Republican (phony Left-Right paradigm) if they question any aspect of this hurried up health care bill, in Rob Kall's mind it is wrong? Or is it that he is bitter, and that nine months ago one of his editors didn't get to question Nancy Pelosi at a book signing in Philly? Is that what this is all about?
Guest what Rob? The sheople are now beginning to awaken. It is time you did the same. They're starting to see through this faux Left-Right paradigm for what it is.
President Obama promised change and all that the people are seeing is more of the same. Perhaps as many as forty five thousand more troops being sent into the Middle East meat grinder. These senseless and endless wars of hegemony, which are costing how much? Ho much Rob? Meanwhile America's cities crumble! Where is "YOUR" outrage?
If 9-11 was an inside job, which many across this country believe was (I guess they're all wrong too?) then why in the hell are we fighting in the Middle East? Killing and maiming innocent men, woman and children! Did I mention the over eight-hundred or so innocent men, woman and children who have also been killed? Not in Iraq or Afghanistan, but in Pakistan, by those drone aircraft. Is this what you call change? So you banish people like us from your site because you are in denial?
The American people are also beginning to see through these shills who call themselves journalists at CBS, NBC MSNBC i.e. Chris (sodium pentothal) Matthew's, who is a complete an utter fraud. Look at him! Sitting there like an oaf, reading his script (newspeak) which he then pawns off to the people as news?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbHDL518oP0
He and the rest of these craven fools will continue to spew the venom and the hatred, which will only further tear at the already torn fabric of our ravaged Republic, if you can keep it!
Well, if you're responding to him insulting you, you're on your way. He pulled that on me more than once. By all means. Just remember the old saw about pigs and fights.
ReplyDeleteI think the mojado epithet and the selfishness is a bit over the top. I'd rather pay for adequate care for people who come here to work than have them overcrowding our emergency rooms with MRSA, viruses and every other bug none of us have any resistance to. Good healthcare has a positive impact on everyone...it's part of what you're paying for with your taxes.
We're never going to be able to legitimately stem the tide as long as all the good opportunities are up here. So if that's a given, then it would be a matter of enlightened self interest to keep these people healthy. Kick the rich people out of the hospital, first, not the working poor.
What is driving a wedge down the middle of this country is the idea that capitalism is dead. D-E-D. Healthcare is only one manifestation of our spiritual bankruptcy. Capitalism IS fascism and it was DOA -- and Karl Marx knew it. Even when we were all living in tall cotton, it was because THEY, the Elites, deigned that it be so out of their largesse. Fuck them. The Elites are mostly parasites.
We need a deck of playing cards for the elites, but make them more like baseball cards. Only put their typical monthly calendar and their favorite haunts on them so that we all can have a fair "shot" at sending them our fondest regards.
I don't think Kall is CIA. Kos is, but Kall is just a friend and "peer" (he thinks) of Kos.
ReplyDeleteMaybe we should scan Kos and do pieces on his nonsense and the pabulum that counts for intellect over there.
Waldo is right, though I protest that the government collective and corporatist collective all wind up in the pockets of the fats.
ReplyDeleteThe corporatist's don't waste as much as the government though. The question is which do you prefer?
Socialism fails explicity on this point as well as others. Simply said the ruling and enforcing factions are either wolves or tigers and the fats are pigs.
If the sheep were as smart as the pigs or as ferocious as the enforcers we might have a chance for change.
As to the legislative process, it simply exerts too much pork, loophole and vagueness. Legislative bills should be submitted as line items or sectioned to be voted or vetoed. The Master art of the committee is to smuggle the contraband inside the care package.
They have gotten away with this far too long.
I had an article refused!
ReplyDeleteon the re release and appro- at a higher strength -of a drug that had killed and harmed people with MS!
It had harmed and killed, been pulled, and the second release still had deaths associated...yet FDA gave it a green light?
I resubmitted and still got no for reply.
I admit letting rip at the FDA, and every word was justified.
So? Isuspect he has controllers. with PRO whatever government is in.
as to this, well the guy is by law allowed to own and wear it in public. My bet is there was a sniper on him all the while.
Friend sent 2 items, one on Obamas mellow reaction, and one telling how 2 schoolteachers were arrested at a G Bush rally for holding small signs of dissent up...
PR and then some!
All the talk of facism, socialism, etc., is nonsense. All it is about is an attempt to portray something in the most unfavorable, scary light so the most people will oppose it. George Washington wanted a National Brewery, does that mean he was a socialist? Patrick Henry admitted slavery was wrong, but said he did not want to be "inconvenienced", what does that make him? So, seriously, let's try to have a debate that actually makes sense as opposed to what frequently transpires. Too many people are getting into the happy of calling everything "socialism" or calling people "Hitler", etc.
ReplyDeleteSo You want to turn Your bank account over to a private contractor ? Fascism is the soup dejour. Obama is not Hitler,he is much more dangerous. hitler had no nukes and no scientific spy grid to control the masses. You are very ill informed or just drunk on the Obama Kool-aid.
ReplyDeleteIt is not a matter of being ill-informed or drunk on the Obama Kool-aid. When you say things like Obama is "much more dangerous" than Hitler, you show how absurd your positions are. Everyone that disagrees with you or that you disagree with is not ignorant or evil. I am sure being the President of the United States is one of the most challenging jobs on earth. If you were President, you would have nukes and a scientific spy grid, but it would not make you more dangerous than Hitler. Let's keep the discusions to reasonable levels. Hitler killed millions of people and it is an insult to real victims to try and portray Obama as worse than that just because you do not agree with his policies or hate the government. As bad as Bush was, he was not worse than Hitler and did not destroy the US. Why do you all act like a system established by imperfect people will produce perfect results? As grammatically incorrect as it is, that is where "more perfect" comes into play. Our society is a social experiment, and sometimes you do things that work and sometimes you do things that do not. To be relevant, you must stay in the realm of reality, not hyperbole.
ReplyDeleteI thought you wanted to be taken seriously, but I see you do not. If you really want to make a case that anyone is worse than Hitler, it should be pretty easy to do because it would require the person to be clearly evil. You are just throwing around the assertion towards people and policies that you do not like. That makes your arguments weak.
ReplyDeleteMore war & killing for empire, bankster heists, torture, rendition, domestic spying, fema camps, patriot act, military commissions, fisa, all bush dictatorial powers kept, health care to benefit the insurance industry not the people, geoengineering of climate, the great carbon tax scam, injecting the troops with mystery potions that sicken them with three injections ready to go for the rest of us... all going on under Obama.
ReplyDeleteNow you tell me golden, what type of government does such things?
I suggest You read "Ecoscience" by the current science czar in Your glorious leaders cabinet. How newborns are not human and sterilants must be placed in vaccines. Then theres Ruth Bader Dig-bat stating "abortions control populations we dont want too many of". Total weather control by 2025. Codex Alimentarius goes into effect later this year. I could educate You on current events that shape future trends but I charge for teaching. Its off to the orange satan for You.
ReplyDeleteJersey:
ReplyDeleteDo something for me, seriously. I want you to think about what you just asserted. You basically asserted that there has never been a United States President or government that was not basically evil. Because there has never been a President or a government that did not reside over something that was objectionable to someone. If you had became President, all the things you listed still be in effect. That is because despite what you want, things require a solution that involves cooperation from people that do not agree with you. Sometimes people and entities are evil and sometimes people and entities just want to do things differently than you do. My point to you is that you do not seem to realize that even if you were President, much of what you listed would be the same. THings can not change over night. But let's not act like Bush, Obama, etc. are the same.
I think it was Obama himself that said we were bitter,still clinging to our guns and religion,as if there were something wrong with that. With the stroke of a pen the troops come home,same pen,spying stops. More pen,prisoners freed. Obama is a liar and a crook just like all the goons elected since the murder of JFK. Things CAN change overnight if enough people reach the boiling point and we hang a bunch of criminals. If the Constitution is no longer applicable THERE IS NO UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. You can toy with polyanna bullshit ideas till the cows come home. It is over and the experiment has been hijacked. If You are not solution You are problem. Dont go away mad, just go away.
ReplyDeleteKornishing:
ReplyDeleteA lot of you all are clinging to things in an unrationale manner. Tell me when America, the United States has ever been right and when did it turn into what you all describe today. What you all do not seem to realize is that what you claim America has become, it has always been.
http://scienceblogs.com/bioephemera/2009/07/description_misrepresented_as.php
ReplyDeleteThere are already over twenty trillion 'differences' on the books in just the last year!!! I mean, counting them in dollars.... same same for dumbasses I guess.
ReplyDeleteNow don't go getting "unrationale" on us again. The king learned you.....
You're right Bush & Obama are not the same. Obama has the advantage of being half black so that when people criticize his policies they are dismissed as being racist. Gives BO an edge that Dumbya didn't have....Otherwise, yea, Obama and Bush's policies are one and the same except Obama has expanded the wars and domestic spying.......
ReplyDeleteMary you need a new avatar. It's just not right that you and golden look so much alike! Get thyself to the gravatar machine !
ReplyDeleteHow long did it take to find that little bit of apologetica ? So we can talk about offing newborns but we cant talk about the evils of fascism at a townhall without being accused of working for an insurance company ? Soooo many people dedicate themselves to defending the un-defendable.
ReplyDeleteGee golden.... we know all presidents are puppets to their masters. You're not instructing us in anything new here. What's your point? WHo did you vote for in the last three elections? Or did you vote at all?
ReplyDeleteTouche.
ReplyDeleteWe were obedient sheep as long as what we were doing to other countries was not being done to us.
Now that it is, we have a problem with that.
But we are irresponsible and spoiled by design. Ever since Andrew Johnson took the bankers to the woodshed, they've been after the idea of a dumbed-down, obedient population.
Just like the Black Americans before us, we'se tah'ed of dem house-niggrahs stealin' from dah po' folks dats been a-plowin' dah fields all dese 'ears.
I don't agree with everything everyone is saying here, but I do know that the anger, rage and emotion are legitimate responses to having been slapped in the face by the cold light of day.
Quit trying to put people to sleep with your rationalizations, GE. There's only one way for people to get this much confusion and despair out of their systems...and that's to DANCE.
Just like they did to us before with DISCO all during the 1970's...we were so disaffected and po'd after what went on all during the 1960's...if we'd have sat in that anger a little longer, we'd be where we are right now. Which is WHERE we should have been all along.
Democracy works, but not when corporations are considered actual persons.
Socialist democracy works even better, but not when the people become so intellectually oppressed that they can't act their own way to better thinking through the power of free-appearing choice.
Fascism -- which is what capitalism actually is and always has been -- is economic oppression where people can no longer think freely, or act freely. It will never work.
What we need out of Democracy 2.0 is freedom from any unreasonable form of oppression.
I consider most forms of oppression unreasonable since the only reason we form societies and civilizations in the first place is to trade one form of the appearance of freedom for a better one. If it's not getting progressively better over time, it's not what we bargained for. In which case, you'd better put a sock in your rationalizations and learn to reload: a kind word and a gun will get you much farther than just a kind word.
Jersey:
ReplyDeleteI am trying to get you to make a point. You all are complaining as if this nation has changed into something that it once was not. I am simply explaining to you is that whatever problems you speak of have always existed, that is the nature of what we have. So, I am asking you, what country are you talking about? America has never been close to perfect. But I would rather be engaged in changing it than sitting around simply complaining.
Jersey:
ReplyDeleteThat is your tainted perception of things. Obama being black is only an issue to the people that keep bringing it up like yourself. I go with the standard that we have always been judged by and that is that he is black. We have never said "half" black, so I wont accept that as a definition now. For the greater part of our history, whites went out of their way to make sure that anyone with a "drop" of black blood was labeled black. So Obama is as black as any slave that was fathered by a slave master. Nobody was going around calling them "half" black. I have never heard anyone say do not be critical of Obama because he is black. I have noticed that people inject all sorts of things about race into discussions that makes people wonder if their underlying problem is race. It taking till 2008 for us to elect the first African American President does say something about how we look at race. So, do not act as if some people are judging Obama because of his skin color and not his deeds. If you are not one of those people, why bring it up?
Who do you think that approach works with? What about you having a gun would make anyone more willing to have a sensible dialogue with you. That is crazy talk and where I am from, you would have gotten pistol whipped for even saying that is how you deal with people. If someone showed up to your house with a kind word and a gun, you would not think they were sensible, you would think they were nuts. So, why should anyone take your statement as anything other than being off?
ReplyDeleteGolden.. you sound an awful lot like GI Joe Murphy. You're just here to piss everyone off not to have a serious discussion. Well, I'm done with your game.
ReplyDeleteYou say you want to change the country yet you offer no clue as to how to do it.
From here on in I will ignore you and your agitating tactics.
"whatever problems you speak of have always existed," Homosexuality shoved down the throats (no pun intended) of Americans is new. The worship of nature as supreme god and more valuable than humans is pretty new also. Debit cards are new and soon to be weaponized. If You respond again I will consider You a ZOG agent.
ReplyDeleteJersey:
ReplyDeleteSomeone having a differing opinion from you upsets you? No wonder everyone is upset these days. Excuse me for thinking that this was a forum for discussion and not just a gathering of people for a pity party. I have been very respectful to you in my opposition of what you are saying. But if you can not have a conversation with someone who looks at things differently than you, you really are not trying discuss issues.
Who is forcing you to be a homosexual? Throughout our history, there have always been lifestyles that were flaunted that others did not agree with. No one is forcing you to worship nature either. But common sense should tell you that it is a good idea to take care of something that you need to exist. And if you don't like debit cards or other technology, you could become Amish and change your name to Ishmael.
ReplyDeletefascism=> corporate state=> speaking out against "the evils of fascism"= "being accused of working for an insurance company?"
ReplyDeleteoooooo...kaaaaaayyyy....
Who pulled yer sock out ? You and Gold need to engage in a circle of debate,round and around till both of you turn to butter.
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